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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#57401: May 19th 2016 at 5:26:05 PM

Thing is, it goes back to people being able to successfully tie those events back to him. Before the big invasion in Avengers, the existence of all this weird stuff was a secret to most people, so it was even harder back then for people to be taken seriously because there wasn't any big alien invasion to make someone like Kilgrave seem like a remotely plausible occurrence.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57402: May 19th 2016 at 6:01:54 PM

Attracting attention is not the same as Shield noticing. Maybe he was a suspect in a crime but he either wasn't found or told the cop to erase all evidence of him.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#57403: May 19th 2016 at 7:40:55 PM

I skipped a couple pages. Again, hoping to avoid Netflix series spoilers.

Back on the subject of "don't fuck with Magneto", does anyone know where I can find that post-Av X conversation between Scott and Magneto, where Scott is all "woe is me, I fucked up", and Magneto refuses to take pity on him, and subtly threatens him?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#57404: May 19th 2016 at 8:29:40 PM

It really does not surprise me that SHIELD wouldn't have known about Kilgrave. Mind control is not an easy thing to prove, and it's more likely it would be dismissed as a rumor, anyway.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#57405: May 20th 2016 at 1:52:22 AM

On an unrelated note:

... so, apparently the X-Men movie ain't good.

Here's hoping this is the cataclysm that brings the Marvel universe together at last. I'm not ashamed to admit that I want this movie to fail. And I mean Fant4stic levels of fail.

Mostly because I'm sick of Mystique and deeply weirded out by her new heroic image. That ain't the Mystique I've come to know and love. Also, Jennifer Lawrence should really stop doing these kind of characters (the lone wolf, jerkass, snarky and dark girl kind of characters). It's like I'm seeing a Katniss-shaped Mystique.

Anyways, carry on!

edited 20th May '16 1:58:27 AM by ExplosiveLion

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57406: May 20th 2016 at 2:06:21 AM

Unlikely...somehow the X-men movies have a fanbase which is entirely happy with getting one or two impressive scenes connected with a lot of slog.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57407: May 20th 2016 at 2:32:37 AM

Blade already had his time to shine

So has Spider-Man. Twice. We're still getting a movie about him. It's not like Blade is anywhere as overexposed as some of the other characters not named Spider-Man or the X-Men.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57408: May 20th 2016 at 2:36:51 AM

And we will get spider-man and X-men based movies like a clockwork so that the studios can keep the rights. That is not the case with Blade.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57409: May 20th 2016 at 4:02:39 AM

[up]Which doesn't make him any less eligible for a movie or tv series than those guys. Seriously the last time he was in the public consciousness was that tv series from 2006. If we went with the "had their time to shine" argument Daredevil would never have gotten the Netflix tv show and Captain America would never have gotten another film after the god awful 1990 direct-to-video movie from 1990.

Paradisesnake Since: Mar, 2012
#57410: May 20th 2016 at 6:56:01 AM

@Explosive Lion: Yeah, I have to say I, too, vastly preferred Rebecca Romijn's unquestionably villainous Mystique. I have nothing against Jennifer Lawrence as an actor, but to me she just looks like a frightened deer. I don't want more cutesy, tragic female characters, I want actual villains.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57411: May 20th 2016 at 7:23:31 AM

As we all know Marvel never ever does anything with franchises who used to belong to other studios. That'd be crazy.

Speaking of which.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57413: May 20th 2016 at 8:11:12 AM

You know I'd say Apocalypse is the only X film were mystique is unambiguously heroic.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#57414: May 20th 2016 at 9:03:54 AM

Again, some of us are Spider-Manned out.

I really don't see how adding X-Men into the MCU could work out positively at all.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57415: May 20th 2016 at 9:04:58 AM

I don't even see how it'd work at this late in the game. It'd be a pretty big asspull to say mutants were always around in the MCU.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Paradisesnake Since: Mar, 2012
#57416: May 20th 2016 at 9:12:32 AM

Isn't the real problem the fact that Fox owns the rights to use mutants in film... or has there been some kind of development on this recently that I'm not aware of?

edited 20th May '16 9:12:53 AM by Paradisesnake

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57417: May 20th 2016 at 9:14:05 AM

[up][up]If they were really desperate, they could just pull a Cosmic Retcon at the end of Infinity War and create an alternate timeline where everything in the MCU still more or less happened as we saw it, except that, guess what, mutants and the X-Men have always been around too! Just a FYI. Though I honestly doubt they'd go that far unless box office sales dropped so dramatically for both Marvel and Fox that the both of them would see no choice but to pull that kind of crap to try and get their ares out of the fire, though I don't see that happening any time soon either.

edited 20th May '16 9:14:24 AM by kkhohoho

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57418: May 20th 2016 at 9:15:02 AM

How did this even turn into a discussion about the X-Men?

Again, some of us are Spider-Manned out

Okay?

edited 20th May '16 9:15:27 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57419: May 20th 2016 at 9:16:12 AM

The continuity of the X-men movies is so messed up, I wouldn't even want them in an alternate reality.

So, what's the spider-man news? Too lazy to click on the article...is it even one or more click bait?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#57420: May 20th 2016 at 9:20:15 AM

Regarding Kilgrave - Spoilers for Wanderlust's benefit.

It's not even that Kilgrave tries really hard to keep a low profile, so much as it is that he doesn't want anything that would warrant a high profile. He has no aspirations of world domination. He doesn't want to steal all the money in the world or 40 cakes or to kill Iron Man. He's just a guy living his life with a superpower that is next to impossible to quantify.

He's a rapist and a murderer, but the rape is next to impossible to prove even without mind control involved - seriously, guys, 4% conviction rate - and his murders are all suicides so there's no reason to ever consider foul play and investigate further.

edited 20th May '16 9:20:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#57421: May 20th 2016 at 9:20:37 AM

It claims that the villains will be Vulture and Tinkerer, the latter of whom helps make the Vulture suit with salvaged Chitauri tech. It also claims Spidey's suit will have some modifications helmed by Tony Stark, like the web armpits.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57422: May 20th 2016 at 9:33:47 AM

Which doesn't make him any less eligible for a movie or tv series than those guys. Seriously the last time he was in the public consciousness was that tv series from 2006. If we went with the "had their time to shine" argument Daredevil would never have gotten the Netflix tv show and Captain America would never have gotten another film after the god awful 1990 direct-to-video movie from 1990.

They never should have made another Cap movie after the awesome 70's TV movie.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#57423: May 20th 2016 at 9:34:15 AM

[up] Really? They can't just invent the tech? It has to come from the Chtauri?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57424: May 20th 2016 at 9:37:14 AM

I actually like that idea. All that shit's just been sitting around for years. And HYDRA was already trying to do stuff with it.

Though of course I'm probably one of the 6 people on the planet who wasn't outraged about Tony giving Peter his costume and upgrading his web-shooters.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love

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