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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#57326: May 19th 2016 at 10:27:11 AM

Eh, fair enough. I guess I kinda want a bit more overlap, but that's just me.

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#57327: May 19th 2016 at 10:35:22 AM

The Avengers and X-Men did team up to fight Exodus and he got his powers from Apocalypse.

That was just a weird situation though.

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#57328: May 19th 2016 at 10:48:28 AM

There was also that time Loki fused three Sentinels together to fight the Avengers during this villain team up crossover.

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#57329: May 19th 2016 at 10:52:02 AM

Cerebusentinel?

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#57330: May 19th 2016 at 10:54:25 AM

Tri-Sentinel. It was during this crossover where Loki teamed up with Doctor Doom, Magneto, Red Skull, the Wizard, the Mandarin, and Kingpin called Acts of Vengeance. By the end of it, Doom and Magneto fucked off because they didn't want to deal with Red Skull (for obvious reasons), and Loki flipped his gourd by fusing some of Sebastian Shaw's Sentinels into the Tri-Sentinel.

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#57331: May 19th 2016 at 10:56:27 AM

I'm fine with less overlap, mainly because the movies actually have it right, and the X-Men really should be their own thing, from a narrative, character, or complexity standpoint.

Imagine Apocalypse, Herald of Galactus!

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#57332: May 19th 2016 at 10:58:06 AM

That would actually be pretty awesome.

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#57333: May 19th 2016 at 11:00:02 AM

[up][up][up]The Wizard is, like, the most conspicuously low level person i nthat group. As soon as I saw his name I immediately thought "What is this loser doing in that line up of top tier Marvel villains?" Wizard is just a guy who uses technology to pretend he's doing magic tricks, he's like a smarter but less flashy Mysterio.

edited 19th May '16 11:00:13 AM by MousaThe14

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#57334: May 19th 2016 at 11:02:07 AM

I dunno why he was there either, to be honest. Apparently Loki also tried to recruit Apocalypse, Cobra, the Mad Thinker, and Namor, but they all declined (Namor even saying he wasn't evil anymore).

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#57335: May 19th 2016 at 11:03:32 AM

By the end of it, Doom and Magneto fucked off because they didn't want to deal with Red Skull (for obvious reasons), and Loki flipped his gourd by fusing some of Sebastian Shaw's Sentinels into the Tri-Sentinel.
Oh, it was even better than that. Magneto is a survivor of the Holocaust. The Red Skull is a Nazi. Magneto trapped him in an underground fallout shelter with just enough water to survive and nothing else, no light, no food. Just water and air. It was awesome.

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#57336: May 19th 2016 at 11:09:52 AM

If there's one thing the comics have proven countless times, it's this: don't fuck with Magneto.

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#57337: May 19th 2016 at 11:18:41 AM

Although I'm not sure how Magneto can claim himself not to be a "common killer" like Red Skull when that's exactly what he is too. Red Skull himself even brought it up a few pages prior.

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#57338: May 19th 2016 at 11:24:52 AM

Also, another lession: red skull really look classy in that suit

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#57339: May 19th 2016 at 11:25:22 AM

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This is Magneto we're talking about, he's kind of a hypocrite.

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#57340: May 19th 2016 at 11:36:50 AM

Aaaaand this is the reason I am glad that the X-men are not in the MCU.

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#57341: May 19th 2016 at 11:43:22 AM

What would that be exactly?

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#57342: May 19th 2016 at 11:55:14 AM

I find it difficult to be overly concerned by preserving the sanctity of "this neat, orderly universe" when the films adamantly refuse to even acknowledge the TV show as something that exists.

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#57343: May 19th 2016 at 11:56:03 AM

Or when the TV shows ignore stuff happening in other TV shows.

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#57345: May 19th 2016 at 12:00:39 PM

It's not exactly SHIELD's business to stop a fatman from gentrifying a section of New York or Ninjas. They fight spies, they stop supernatural stuff from getting out of hand but they're only one organization, they can't keep track of every single thing. I can totally buy the events of DD and JJ flying under their radar.

I do agree about the movies completely ignoring what goes on in Agents of SHIELD, that's stretching things significantly.

edited 19th May '16 12:01:12 PM by MousaThe14

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#57346: May 19th 2016 at 12:03:35 PM

Yeah, this is basically the same complaint as, "Why didn't the Avengers all dogpile on top of Killian?" or "Why didn't the Avengers all dogpile on top of Pearce?"

The Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D. are not an eager guild of teleporting murderhobos looking for a quest. A lot of things are happening in the world all the time. Just because the narrative is opting to show us Kilgrave today doesn't mean all other crime in the world has ceased so that he can get his plot on.

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#57347: May 19th 2016 at 12:03:45 PM

Kilgrave and the Hand are things that should been SHIELD's radar, but aren't.

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#57348: May 19th 2016 at 12:04:39 PM

Well it's just like the comics at this point, then.

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#57350: May 19th 2016 at 12:05:05 PM

Kilgrave goes out of his way to be out of the radar. He tells people to destroy evidence, off themselves, or leave him alone and they do and he's gone the next day.

The Hand? Shrug, I dunno.

[up]Oh cool, 90s Thor.

edited 19th May '16 12:05:38 PM by MousaThe14

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