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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#57277: May 19th 2016 at 7:14:30 AM

I was looking on what was trending on my Facebook, and apparently some rumors are going around that the Netflix series might try and add Blade, Ghost Rider, and Moon Knight.

I doubt that'll happen, but eh, a guy can dream.

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#57278: May 19th 2016 at 7:17:33 AM

I find Moon Knight interesting only because throughout my entire life as a Marvel fan I have found multiple instances of someone in the ranks trying really really hard to push Moon Knight but it never ever takes. I even wrote a thing about it once.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57279: May 19th 2016 at 7:33:59 AM

Ghost Rider is the part that makes me skeptical. Blade and Moon Knight would be very cheap and easy to do on a TV budget. Ghost Rider would require very expensive CGI.

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#57280: May 19th 2016 at 7:34:03 AM

I might be able to fill you in on Moon Knight's origin:

He was a guy named Mark Spector (fitting last name) who works for an evil mercenary named Raoul Bushman. They go to Egypt to some archaeological dig where some people found artifacts of the god Khonshu. Bushman kills some of the people at the dig and tries to loot the place, but Spector, having a conscience, challenges him to a duel and defeats him. Despite this, he's stranded in the desert now, Bushman escaping. Some Egyptians rescue Spector and take him to their temple to Khonshu, where Spector then dies beneath a statue of the god. Khonshu appears in a vision to make Spector his avatar on Earth in exchange for a new chance at life. Spector accepts and wraps himself in the silver shroud that covered Khonshu's statue. He goes after Bushman, defeats him, and then goes back to America to become the crime fighting Moon Knight.

He sets himself up with two other secret identities in order to distance himself from his merc past: thanks to saving up his mercenary money, he's now a rich man under the name Steven Grant. In order to have an ear to the streets, he's also a cab driver named Jake Lockley.

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#57281: May 19th 2016 at 8:01:30 AM

Someone made Cap's magnetic shield.

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#57282: May 19th 2016 at 8:22:03 AM

The funniest thing to me is that Moon Knight was introduced as a Werewolf By Night antagonist hence the moon theme. All his weapons were silver and he beat seven kinds of shit out of the werewolf until he just decided not to.

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#57283: May 19th 2016 at 8:30:44 AM

I don't really care about Moon Knight, but I'm glad that Misty Knight and Colleen Wing have been cast in the Luke Cage and Iron Fist series.

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#57284: May 19th 2016 at 8:35:10 AM

The Moon Knight/Blade/Ghost Rider rumors have been around for years at this point; I don't really know if there's much to them other than wishful thinking.

But as someone who hated superheroes as a preteen, then went to see the Ghost Rider film anyway, thinking "a skeleton on fire riding a motorcycle, okay this HAS to be awesome" and ended up loathing it, I'd love to see a good Ghost Rider adaptation. And we could use a decent vampire hunting show.

Moon Knight... has a cool costume, I guess? tongue

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57285: May 19th 2016 at 8:52:39 AM

I find Moon Knight interesting only because throughout my entire life as a Marvel fan I have found multiple instances of someone in the ranks trying really really hard to push Moon Knight but it never ever takes.
The Warren Ellis version was quite popular in the comics, although the follow up writers didn't so as well. The current run by Jeff Lemire, though, is awesome and has gorgeous artwork.

If you've never seen it, here is part of Ellis's first issue.

edited 19th May '16 8:55:04 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57286: May 19th 2016 at 8:57:58 AM

I simply don't want Vampires in the MCU. I can buy a lot, but I have already trouble to accept the Hand, Vampires would stretch it too far. If they do the whole Werewolf/Vampire/Zombie/whatever thing, I would prefer it in a separate universe. Also, Blade already had his time to shine, I would rather see some other heroes.

Moon Knight is the only one of this set which makes sense, because he is not too mystical, his split personality would make him unique and he is easily to adapt for Netflix.

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#57287: May 19th 2016 at 9:01:59 AM

I have trouble accepting The Hand because they're a ridiculous cliché, not because of their supernatural properties. The MCU has aliens, members of the Norse pantheon, sorcery, and cosmic gems of immense supernatural power. At this point, I don't think vampires are much of a stretch.

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#57288: May 19th 2016 at 9:04:35 AM

[up][up] Okay, now I'm intrigued. Dammit Warren Ellis, why d'you have to be so great?

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#57289: May 19th 2016 at 9:04:46 AM

Maybe Moon Knight can appear in Iron Fist if it gets a second season? I can kinda see some similarities to the two.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57290: May 19th 2016 at 9:11:27 AM

To me, Vampires ARE a stretch, because I simply can't believe that their existence would stay hidden for so long. Other than the Hand, everything in the MCU has so far been explained with science, and I am totally fine with that.

Plus, one of the reasons I like the MCU is that it DOESN'T just throw comic characters at each other with no regard if their respective words fits. I can't express enough how glad I am of the fact that the X-men will most likely NEVER be in it.

edited 19th May '16 9:13:14 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57291: May 19th 2016 at 9:13:57 AM

If SHIELD somehow missed Inhumans for so long it's really not a stretch to say vampires have been around.

In fact, if you begin playing the "Why didn't Group X know/respond to the events of Show/Movie Y" the whole thing sort of falls apart.

edited 19th May '16 9:14:46 AM by comicwriter

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#57292: May 19th 2016 at 9:14:27 AM

I don't see why it'd be so hard to explain Vampires. They're magical creatures, they can spell their way into some secrecy.

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#57293: May 19th 2016 at 9:15:16 AM

The Inhumans are isolationist. Vampires, by the very nature of the concept, cannot be.

However, I can totally accept their existence has remained secret. Until recently, that's what S.H.I.E.L.D. was for. Nobody heard about the antimatter meteor off the coast of Florida either.

The Battle of New York was a game-changer that resulted in a lot of things long-held secret coming to light. No reason vampires can't be one of them.

edited 19th May '16 9:17:07 AM by TobiasDrake

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#57294: May 19th 2016 at 9:15:28 AM

If you must avoid magic that's really not difficult either. People have being doing "realistic" stories about biological-based vampires for quite some time.

[up]It doesn't matter. If you're going off the logic that SHIELD should have known about vampires it doesn't really work. Clearly there's stuff that's been going on in the MCU they weren't aware of or at least didn't take proper response to.

edited 19th May '16 9:16:42 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#57295: May 19th 2016 at 9:17:05 AM

Guys, guys, have you already forgotten? We already have confirmation that vampires exist in the MCU! Specifically, Bessie the Hellcow.

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#57296: May 19th 2016 at 9:18:11 AM

Hidden vampires are difficult but not impossible if you make them, like, in charge of small out of the way podunk towns no one thinks twice about and they regularly farm their citizens. There are still packets in the world where people rarely enter or leave.

edited 19th May '16 9:19:19 AM by MousaThe14

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#57297: May 19th 2016 at 9:22:00 AM

If Shield had known about Vampires, the knowledge would have been made public by now.

The Inhumans are a different matter. Not only are they a secret society, they are also had stringent controls who was allowed to get powers. A lot of them never got the chance. The moment those controls slipped, their existent became more or less immediately public knowledge, no matter how much the governments tried to keep it under wraps.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#57298: May 19th 2016 at 9:22:15 AM

I can see vampires if they abide by similar origins Marvel comics established. They didn't come from a virus or an ancient curse. The first one came from Darkhold, a magical book - que Dr. Strange. Darkhold contained a spell that could vanish them from this plane of existence or dimension. The current Blade has Blade's daughter fighting the Supernatural that stays out of normal human sights. This can work kinda like the magical ninjas from Daredevil that the genreal public is clueless about. Except there can be a veil over them to renforce their hidden existence or just have them in another country we never hear.

Ghost Rider and Moon Knight require another dimmison and so does Iron Fist. If The Hand from Daredevil are shaping up to reveal what they call Black Skye hosts something demonic like The Beast then yeah Vampires can def work

edited 19th May '16 9:27:10 AM by FictionWriterKing

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#57299: May 19th 2016 at 9:23:41 AM

I don't find Vampires hard to believe in the MCU, nor SHIELD's inability to discover them.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57300: May 19th 2016 at 9:25:47 AM

It baffles me that no one ever helps blade with the vampires. They're clearly a massive threat, but the avengers and X-men and future foundation never do much to stop them.


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