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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#57176: May 16th 2016 at 10:07:22 PM

The first time I heard of that was via Linkara.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#57177: May 16th 2016 at 10:08:00 PM

Not the book's brightest hour.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#57178: May 16th 2016 at 10:09:03 PM

Is there a darker hour?

edited 16th May '16 10:09:16 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#57179: May 16th 2016 at 10:16:13 PM

Uh.

In terms of completely disrespectful treatment and busing a character, you could argue Disassembled for what it does to Scarlet Witch. Probably took longer to make her a viable character again.

Avengers #200 was probably worse overall though. It has very little value as a story.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#57180: May 16th 2016 at 11:31:14 PM

Egg salad should never have green onion in it.

Fuck you.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57181: May 17th 2016 at 3:14:26 AM

I wasn't aware people feel this strongly about egg salad.

looks up Avengers #200 What? Ew.

edited 17th May '16 3:16:24 AM by hollygoolightly

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57182: May 17th 2016 at 3:36:30 AM

Most superhero adaptations make up their own stories with elements from the source material. Though I hear the Kelly Sue Deconnick run is pretty good.

As for Avengers 200, I highly doubt that will be an issue for the movie any more than Hank Pym hitting his ife was an issue for Ant-Man.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#57183: May 17th 2016 at 5:37:20 AM

[up] Mind you that blown way out of proportion. It happened once and he's been ceaselessly repentant about it ever since and never tried to diminish the blame on him.

Heck Peter hit NJ once when he was freaking out over maybe being a clone.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#57184: May 17th 2016 at 5:46:59 AM

Looks up Avengers #200 as well... Ugh.

edited 17th May '16 5:48:05 AM by yellowturtle

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57185: May 17th 2016 at 6:43:00 AM

Mind you that blown way out of proportion. It happened once and he's been ceaselessly repentant about it ever since and never tried to diminish the blame on him.

Very true.

Heck Peter hit NJ once when he was freaking out over maybe being a clone.

This one honestly bothered me more than the Pym incedent given it nearly resulted in two people dying. Hell, Peter strikes MJ in Spider-Man 3 while possessed by the Symbiote and yet people had more of a problem with him dancing like a moron. For them that was the reason he needed to get rid of it.

One good thing I can say about Avengers 200 was that it lead to Chris Claremont calling out the Avengers and by proxy the idiots who let that story get made in Avengers Annual 10.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/03/03/meta-messages-chris-claremont-sticks-up-for-ms-marvel/

edited 17th May '16 6:45:19 AM by windleopard

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57186: May 17th 2016 at 9:00:10 AM

There's also Mr. Fantastic, who has intentionally decided "smacking around my family and friends is the best solution" more than once, and unlike Hank doesn't have the explanation of going through a serious mental breakdown at the time.

edited 17th May '16 9:06:03 AM by KnownUnknown

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57187: May 17th 2016 at 9:27:40 AM

I think that only happened once and that was when he was trying to free her from being controlled by Malice.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#57189: May 17th 2016 at 10:40:49 AM

They really need to sneak in a jab at Avengers #200 into the Captain Marvel movie. Even if it's as simple as having Carol Danvers punch someone some creepy guy named Marcus.

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#57190: May 17th 2016 at 10:46:39 AM

Oh god, if they Continuity Nod it by giving her an ex-boyfriend named Marcus, I might vomit right there in the theater.

This one honestly bothered me more than the Pym incedent given it nearly resulted in two people dying. Hell, Peter strikes MJ in Spider-Man 3 while possessed by the Symbiote and yet people had more of a problem with him dancing like a moron. For them that was the reason he needed to get rid of it.

Hitting MJ was a way of demonstrating that he's gone off the deep end. It's presented as the ultimate consequence for Peter indulging in the symbiote and sets up the conflict that leads into him getting rid of it. Mind you, it plays into an uncomfortable Patriarchal trend that needs to die - hurting women so that men can undergo Character Development - but the point is that it punishes the characters for Peter's choices.

Peter dancing like a moron punishes the audience for Peter's choices and, unlike MJ, he never tried to make amends with us over it.

edited 17th May '16 10:47:08 AM by TobiasDrake

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#57192: May 17th 2016 at 10:56:20 AM

I find that overly goofy but otherwise inoffensive.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#57193: May 17th 2016 at 10:58:35 AM

[up][up][up] The only way I could see them going down that road is if she has a close friend in the movie (dare I say Monica Rambeau?) that helped her get out of a bad relationship in the past.

But I think the best route would just be of the "punch someone named Marcus" variety.

edited 17th May '16 10:58:51 AM by Falrinn

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57194: May 17th 2016 at 10:59:42 AM

Or, and this might be crazy, they could just ignore it.

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#57195: May 17th 2016 at 11:00:33 AM

I vote for ignoring it. Ignoring it is the best way to handle it. It does not deserve a mention.

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#57196: May 17th 2016 at 11:00:36 AM

Ant-Man certainly got along fine without a single reference to Hank slapping Janet.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#57197: May 17th 2016 at 11:02:28 AM

They did mention the Yellow Jacket and turn that idea into a villain.

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#57198: May 17th 2016 at 11:02:36 AM

[up][up] Exactly!

The point of a Shout-Out is to acknowledge the other work and go, "Hey, that thing exists and it's cool. If you caught my mention, maybe check it out!"

The last thing Marvel's first female super-lead needs in her movie is a reference to that time her character got raped in the comics and everyone was okay with it. Even if it's tongue-in-cheek, it has no place in this film.

edited 17th May '16 11:02:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#57199: May 17th 2016 at 11:04:14 AM

Seriously it's not just rapey and disturbing and bad it's flat out insane.

There is nothing to be gained from this.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#57200: May 17th 2016 at 11:06:13 AM

I don't see why they wouldn't ignore it if everyone thinks that story is terrible.


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