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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#57151: May 16th 2016 at 4:33:18 PM

I didn't even know the context when I first heard of it anyway. Even in that [up] scenario, I would have found it awesome. Most definitely not heroic, of course, but awesome none the less.

edited 16th May '16 4:35:46 PM by dRoy

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57152: May 16th 2016 at 5:04:49 PM

It would be a pretty brilliant demonstration of Magnetos character too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57153: May 16th 2016 at 5:26:04 PM

[up]Especially since he'd then promptly toss the people standing in front of him out of the way.

Magnetism motherfuckers!

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#57154: May 16th 2016 at 5:28:06 PM

That reminds me of HISHE vid on Age of Ultron, where Magneto saves the day. [lol]

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#57155: May 16th 2016 at 6:35:34 PM

[up][up]Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

[down]Wow.

edited 16th May '16 7:12:45 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#57156: May 16th 2016 at 6:44:34 PM

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#57157: May 16th 2016 at 7:07:40 PM

[up]Couldnt he just, ya' know, use his powers on all the cars and actual guns the police brought?

Or rip the iron out of everybody's blood?

edited 16th May '16 7:08:20 PM by TheAirman

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#57158: May 16th 2016 at 7:08:56 PM

Nope, he already surrendered, no backsies.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57159: May 16th 2016 at 7:27:39 PM

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Well, that was stupid. Kinda funny though.

Man. Even Magneto is shaking his head at how dumb he was for falling for that.

I mean, if Reed had clubbed him in the face afterwards, then maybe I'd be ok, and they then kept him sedated the whole time.

edited 16th May '16 7:28:30 PM by HandsomeRob

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#57160: May 16th 2016 at 8:08:19 PM

My hate of the "no you move" speech is well known, so seeing it in Civil War—even truncated to remove the gross "lack of compromise is what democracy is all about" bullshit—was the low point of the movie for me.

Figured you'd hate that.

Still, is your hatred of it based on context, or do you hate it on principle?

Because while sometimes is compromise necessary, sometimes I really do think you need to take a stand, and I think it's hard to argue that Peggy Carter's struggles against sexism don't qualify.

edited 16th May '16 8:10:41 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#57161: May 16th 2016 at 8:10:57 PM

I hate it on principle. While, again, it's not quite as bad in the movie, and using it as a feminist statement is nice (if, perhaps, a little hollow coming from Marvel Studios), the idea that compromise is abhorrent is fucking disgusting, especially in our current political climate.

It frankly made it really hard for me to side with Cap, overall.

edited 16th May '16 8:12:01 PM by Wackd

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57162: May 16th 2016 at 8:11:09 PM

In Agent Carter going "no, you move" and/or shoving people out of her way (literally as well as metaphorically, sometimes) when it comes down to doing the right thing is basically the MO she's forced to take in her environment, so even without the context of the line it works because it makes total sense that she would say it.

edited 16th May '16 8:11:16 PM by KnownUnknown

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#57163: May 16th 2016 at 8:13:47 PM

Well, it kind of comes across at face value as the kind of thing a crazy Tea Partier would say. I would note that the quote does refer to doing what is right even if mobs (not just government/"establishment" figures) say otherwise, so it could be read as an endorsement of civil disobedience along the lines of Martin Luther King Jr.

But yes, I see how the seeming inherent opposition to compromise in the quote makes it come across the wrong way- like it kind of sounds like the comment of someone who distrusts everyone rather than someone reacting to a specific injustice.

edited 16th May '16 8:15:24 PM by Hodor2

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#57164: May 16th 2016 at 8:19:43 PM

To be clear: there are times where you should not compromise. Everyone should have equal rights. No one should die of lack of resources. Egg salad should never have green onion in it.

But the "no, you move" speech is about how you should never compromise ever forever, even if the entire fucking world is telling you you're wrong, and that's the mentality that's making it so hard to get shit done these days.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#57165: May 16th 2016 at 8:21:18 PM

@Wackd: I get what you're saying, but a lot of it does seem contextual, because I do think there are cases when compromising might be considered a bad thing.

What do you think would be better for this sort of situation?

Edit: NVM, you already answered my question.

edited 16th May '16 8:21:50 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#57166: May 16th 2016 at 8:31:37 PM

[up][up]And where does it actually say that compromise is completely and absolutely a bad thing? Just because Cap didn't end his speech with 'Mind you, there are times where one should move, but NOT TODAY!', doesn't mean that he's completely unwilling to do so if the situation required it. Heck, if he felt the situation did require it, he'd probably give an entirely different speech along those lines. But as far as Cap was concerned, CWI was a situation where he needed to stand up for what he believed and that compromising wasn't the solution, hence him giving the 'No, you move' speech. Whereas if circumstances were different, he might actually say 'But sometimes, you gotta' move,' but that just wasn't the case. I still understand why you're taking it issue with it, but I don't think it's as absolute on 'NO COMPROMISES, EVER!', as you're making it out to be.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#57167: May 16th 2016 at 8:32:57 PM

Like.

I feel like any sexist git who wanted to justify keeping Peggy out of world politics could just parrot her words back at her. Now, while she's obviously not obligated to justify herself to that sort of person, I can't feel that any argument would be better than one that accepts stubbornness as an end unto itself.

And where does it actually say that compromise is completely and absolutely a bad thing?
I mean, generally speaking, when someone lists a principle this country was founded on in a rousing speech as the most important ever, "sometimes this principle is a bit shit" is not implicit.

Like, if he said "This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we give everyone a voice in government", you would not think "well, I'm sure he'd agree homophobes shouldn't vote on marriage equality."

edited 16th May '16 8:36:49 PM by Wackd

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#57168: May 16th 2016 at 9:01:49 PM

[up] ...Should they not?

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#57169: May 16th 2016 at 9:30:11 PM

I'd say marriage equality should probably not be a voting thing in general.

But that's a conversation for another thread.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#57170: May 16th 2016 at 9:32:54 PM

Fair enough. I suppose I just consider voting rights to be important as well.

But that's getting off-topic.

So...anyone have any suggestions of where the Captain Marvel movie should go?

I personally really liked the "Enemy Within" arc, but that's probably best reserved for a sequel.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57171: May 16th 2016 at 9:35:12 PM

Carol doesn't have any stories I'd like to see adapted, even in part, so it's hard to discuss.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#57173: May 16th 2016 at 10:00:04 PM

*Looks up what happened in Avengers #200...*

What. The. Hell.

edited 16th May '16 10:01:14 PM by LordVatek

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57174: May 16th 2016 at 10:01:20 PM

They'll probably just do their own thing for the movie like they do with so many of them. I can't think of any origin movie in the MCU that was based on one specific story other than the first 40 minutes of Iron Man.

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