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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#57126: May 16th 2016 at 7:56:22 AM

James Buchanan gets a lot of blame,but with slavery it was obvious the south wasn't going just give up what they considered their property ,ergo,the civil would have happened anyway.James Buchanan or not

edited 16th May '16 7:56:38 AM by Ultimatum

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57127: May 16th 2016 at 8:00:08 AM

True, but Buchanan's strategy of "just wait it out" was not only the stupidest thing to do given that situation, but there could've been a way for him to end the conflict before it began.

Also, it just feels surreal that we're talking about US history in this thread.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#57129: May 16th 2016 at 10:15:35 AM

Iron Man 3 almost had a female villain, but Marvel cut her because they were worried about toy sales.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57130: May 16th 2016 at 10:17:58 AM

God fucking damn it, Perlmutter.

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yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#57131: May 16th 2016 at 10:27:06 AM

So glad he's gone from the movies.

edited 16th May '16 10:29:09 AM by yellowturtle

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#57133: May 16th 2016 at 12:20:55 PM

Grumble, grumble.

Who did the two actresses mentioned there play?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57134: May 16th 2016 at 12:21:00 PM

I really wonder who that female villain would have been.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#57135: May 16th 2016 at 12:22:37 PM

[up][up]Stephanie Szostak played Ellen Brandt, aka the Extremis soldier who Tony duels and kills. Rebecca Hall played Maya Hansen, aka the creator of Extremis who Tony meets in the prologue and Killian kills.

[up]My guess, still named Aldrich Killian but with Maya's backstory and arc. Note that Shane calls her "female Killian", not "main villain Maya".

edited 16th May '16 12:23:52 PM by Tuckerscreator

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#57136: May 16th 2016 at 12:40:58 PM

Ah, okay. Would have been nice if they had had larger roles.

Oh God! Natural light!
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#57137: May 16th 2016 at 1:36:29 PM

MCU without CGI.

I'm dying of laughter. This is most likely true for any movie with a lot of CGI. [lol]

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#57138: May 16th 2016 at 2:07:37 PM

The standing stool is the superhero's best friend.

Plant your butt like a tree.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#57140: May 16th 2016 at 2:35:20 PM

Would've been weird to see more physical combat with a woman in this series.

Aww Sam! Also, I'm glad that he was at the funeral scene, supporting Steve. Also, paying tons of attention, since Steve was lost in loss.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#57141: May 16th 2016 at 2:42:27 PM

I think Maya being revealed as the true villain would have been less divisive than what we got.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#57142: May 16th 2016 at 2:44:35 PM

Honestly, come to think of it, I would've liked to have seen both Maya and Killian as villains, but with Maya the head villain so to speak. Like, Killian only thinks he's in charge, when in fact Maya was the one in charge.

But, of course, Perlmutter fucked it up.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#57143: May 16th 2016 at 3:12:23 PM

I think Maya being revealed as the true villain would have been less divisive than what we got.

Depending on how they handled it I think it would have been, and would have also been more interesting.

We've had some female villains but none of them as the Big Bad of an MCU film, unless I'm just forgetting someone.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#57144: May 16th 2016 at 3:17:51 PM

My hate of the "no you move" speech is well known, so seeing it in Civil War—even truncated to remove the gross "lack of compromise is what democracy is all about" bullshit—was the low point of the movie for me.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#57145: May 16th 2016 at 3:22:08 PM

I could've done without it, but I at least appreciate that it was made more ambiguous, as Cap's stubbornness leads to the feud at the climax. And that its context is changed by Peggy having been the one to say it, and her career has been full of having to stand her ground amidst more open hostility.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57146: May 16th 2016 at 3:27:23 PM

Meh, I've always liked "No, you move." regardless of arguments against it.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#57147: May 16th 2016 at 3:31:44 PM

I've always thought that speech was freaking awesome. YMMV, I suppose.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#57148: May 16th 2016 at 3:33:10 PM

Recontextualizing it as a feminist statement made it a lot more pallatable.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#57149: May 16th 2016 at 4:04:34 PM

That speech is only cool if the person who's saying it is actually right. Problem is, nobody believes in things they think are wrong.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57150: May 16th 2016 at 4:28:45 PM

[nja]It's a speech anyone could say, and is very much informed by context; it requires us to believe the person saying it is right.

Magneto could say that speech immediately before putting pleading humans to death.[nja]

edited 16th May '16 4:30:24 PM by Whowho


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