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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56926: May 12th 2016 at 5:42:27 PM

Did anyone make the "This is the second time this month Peggy died" joke?

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#56928: May 12th 2016 at 6:29:25 PM

I thought it, but figured the show has fans, and it might be Too Soon.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56930: May 12th 2016 at 11:08:19 PM

I expected this, but I want at the very least a TV movie to wrap up all the loose ends from season 2. (Still p... that they spend more time to set up a future story in season 2 instead of focussing to tell the story at hand, I think that lost them more viewers than anything else).

It is too bad, because the first season was really amazing, and I fear that Ao S will now end after a (perhaps shortened) forth season...they will keep the show exactly to syndication, not one day longer. I also would have liked to see Most Wanted, but the negativity towards it was too strong.

That was the general problem...the audience was so disappointed with the start of Ao S that they keep ragging and ragging on the ABC Marvel shows, even though they really didn't deserve this. Bad Wo M killed them.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56931: May 12th 2016 at 11:30:40 PM

I never cared for Marvel's Most Wanted, but I'm surprised that so many other people were negative about it as well.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56932: May 13th 2016 at 1:41:12 AM

Damn. It's not that I didn't expect this, but, still. Damn.

Thing is, you didn't even need to know much about superheroes or the MCU to understand and enjoy it. It was a really great Martini Flavored spy show.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56933: May 13th 2016 at 2:29:15 AM

I say the show was great because the characters were functionally handled well enough to be called great. Peggy, Jarvis, Dottie, Daniel, etc never bored me nor felt lifeless. That's all what matters, not all the replaceable world building behind it. If you watched for how AC for how it connected to the larger verse instead of Peggy and company's lives only to leave then you failed just like if you wanted superheroes. Yeah strengthening internal consistency helps flesh out the verse but without anything to invest in these characters... well there's no point in watching. I don't care Zero Matter ties into Dr Strange. I care.about Peggy's journey around it. NOW I CANT HAVE ANYMORE

Also the era made it different from any other show in the superhero genre. It's a shame when the unconventional stuff gets thrown away. Things not part of the norm, especially Peggy as a heroine

edited 13th May '16 10:51:22 AM by FictionWriterKing

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56934: May 13th 2016 at 5:26:13 AM

To me it looks like ABC has decided to do a big clean up and get rid of the Marvel shows...which is NOT a good thing. I like the Netflix shows, I really do, and I will at least give the notion of Cloak and Dagger on Freeform a fair shake in the hope that the result will be not too much like a CW show...but I need the contra-programming the ABC shows offered, those smart shows which required the audience to think and surprised me at every turn, and that without having to worry that someone will ram a fork in his own eye the next second.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56935: May 13th 2016 at 5:55:38 AM

"and that without having to worry that someone will ram a fork in his own eye the next second. "

That actually sums it up really well! I like Daredevil and I love Jessica Jones, but Agent Carter... that show spoke to me on a completely different level. It was light without being too fluffy, but still could deal with important topics - sexism, racism in S2 to a degree. It was so good at invoking a specific time and feel, and the characters just sparkled.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#56936: May 13th 2016 at 6:17:53 AM

[up][up]

To be clear, it's not only Agent Carter that's being canceled. Castle, the new Muppets series, Galavant, Nashville, and The Family all got canceled as well.

Regarding Most Wanted, my guess is that ABC didn't want to commit to a spin-off when Agents of SHIELD's current ratings (which aren't great, but it's competing with coverage of a highly contested primary). If the ratings rebound next season, which is fairly probable, then I think there's a future for ABC Marvel shows.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56937: May 13th 2016 at 6:19:45 AM

To me it looks like ABC has decided to do a big clean up and get rid of the Marvel shows...which is NOT a good thing.

I don't think it had anything to do with them wanting to get rid of their Marvel stuff. This is an instance where unfortunately, it made complete sense from a business perspective. Agent Carter had low ratings to begin with and they got even worse in Season 2. AOS had series low ratings this season, so the spin-off not happening probably had less to do with an anti-Marvel plan and more to do with them realizing it didn't make much sense to split one show people are already not watching into two shows people won't watch.

Agents of SHIELD is in a good place because they're far enough along that the network probably wants to give them at least one more season so they can get to syndication.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56938: May 13th 2016 at 6:58:41 AM

[up] And there are rumors that they intend to shorten the season, so that the show will just reach syndication. The fourth season was a given, but I fear there won't be a fifth one. It also has been ages that we heart anything about a Damage Control.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56939: May 13th 2016 at 7:32:18 AM

Well like I said yesterday, it took a long time for Cloak and Dagger and Jessica Jones to get picked up too.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56940: May 13th 2016 at 7:38:23 AM

[up] Jessica Jones will be filmed side-by-side with the Defenders, which is more or less the earliest which is possible for a second season, considering how full the plate for Netflix already is.

In the case of Damage Control, Ao S went out of its way to name drop the show a few episodes ago, which tells me that someone behind the scenes delayed something which was already planned out.

edited 13th May '16 7:39:21 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56941: May 13th 2016 at 7:48:21 AM

I'm not talking about filming, I was saying they were announced in 2011 and 2016 respectively, and didn't actually begin production until a few years later. The fact that we haven't heard much about Damage Control doesn't necessarily mean it's dead yet.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#56942: May 13th 2016 at 9:34:17 AM

I forgot about the Cloak&Dagger show.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56943: May 13th 2016 at 9:40:49 AM

I swear to god, if Agents of SHIELD gets rendered non-canon...

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#56944: May 13th 2016 at 9:45:29 AM

...then you won't finish that sentence, because nothing would effectively change?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56945: May 13th 2016 at 9:50:36 AM

Well it'd get rid of a good chunk of a universe that I'd been keeping up with for 4 years only to find out it never mattered because it was never canon.

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#56946: May 13th 2016 at 9:54:47 AM

it would still matter to you obviously

It wouldn't erase the fun and or resigned inertia you had watching it

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56947: May 13th 2016 at 9:55:32 AM

It'd erase it ever being relevant.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#56948: May 13th 2016 at 9:58:19 AM

No, it wouldn't. It was never relevant to anything but itself.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#56949: May 13th 2016 at 10:01:08 AM

So are the Netflix shows, and yet they aren't at risk of being made non-canon.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56950: May 13th 2016 at 10:01:34 AM

[up][up]Right. Agents of SHIELD is fun, but it will never be more than a way to hold fans over until the next film comes up.

[up]The Netflix shows are in the same boat as Agents of SHIELD. Fun, but irrelevant to the films.

edited 13th May '16 10:02:13 AM by VeryMelon


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