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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#56876: May 12th 2016 at 12:32:02 PM

@Falrinn: Except that the Variety article talking about Lupita joining the cast said that she's playing T'challa's love interest.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56877: May 12th 2016 at 12:32:16 PM

[up][up]That would be a great role for her, Lupita Nyong'o would make a great queen.

edited 12th May '16 12:33:16 PM by Whowho

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56878: May 12th 2016 at 12:32:33 PM

I don't mind criticizing fandom behavior, but singling out fangirls isn't really productive here.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#56880: May 12th 2016 at 12:33:45 PM

Like seriously. Let's not demonize female fans here. Most of them just want to be left alone.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56881: May 12th 2016 at 12:38:47 PM

[up]Cmon, we atack fanboy all the damn time and for thing worse than this, is not like we have a thing against them going on

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56882: May 12th 2016 at 12:47:34 PM

We discuss fans when they do stupid crap in real life, without singling out gender.

edited 12th May '16 12:47:59 PM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56883: May 12th 2016 at 1:02:55 PM

A little late, but the problem with Betty was that she was written like a love interest instead of a character. An example: she supposedly has a doctor in the same field Bruce has AND was working with him on the same project. So, what does she do once she recovers the data from said project? Holding onto it and doing nothing about it. She could look into a cure on her own, but nope, she just waits around until he turns up again.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56884: May 12th 2016 at 1:08:04 PM

That is also true. They emphasized she had a life after Bruce ran off, but that life seemed to amount to "find a new boyfriend" and cap at that.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56885: May 12th 2016 at 1:12:20 PM

Yes That, the action clips of Warcraft look like what a Thor film needs, especially one with Hulk in it. From the ferocity of the Orcs to the hopeless expressions of humans trying their best to survive brings out an intense vibe. There's far more tension and suspense in them, which would work for a post apocalyptic Thor film. It's The external stakes have been lacking.

edited 12th May '16 1:29:29 PM by FictionWriterKing

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#56886: May 12th 2016 at 1:13:57 PM

"Fanboy" and "fangirl" mean different things to me besides gender, though in the kind of things people write online, they tend to follow the same gender breakdown. "Fanboy" means company or Creator Worship, while "fangirl" means character or actor worship, generally rooted in sexual or physical attraction. The former will often lead to Mis-blamed situations, while the latter leads to Draco in Leather Pants bullshit.

I skipped five pages, so maybe someone commented on this, but I have to say: Wow, it's almost like he's a "super soldier" or something.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#56887: May 12th 2016 at 1:21:11 PM

@romance in the MCU: I don't disagree that on the whole it's been pretty lackluster (aside: pepperony is a hilarious ship name), but in that regard Marvel has just been following a precedent set by other superhero movies, which tend to have mediocre love interests all around if not outright bad ones.

I'm basically with swanpride on this one. Romance isn't inherently bad or anything; relationships are a part of life and there's no problem with film reflecting that. However, if you aren't going to write your love interest as a character separate from the MC, to the point where we can be invested in both separately, you might as well not even bother.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56888: May 12th 2016 at 1:24:51 PM

[up] bad love interest have no real agency or passions that don't involve their partner.

Bad love interest set aside everything and anything just for their partner's sake.

Bad love interest automatically forgive their partner's wrong doing.

Bad love interest have no definitive traits outside how they interact with their partner.

Etc

edited 12th May '16 1:28:26 PM by FictionWriterKing

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#56889: May 12th 2016 at 1:30:21 PM

That's what I was getting at yes.

Peggy Carter is a good love interest because she feels like she has a whole life and goals completely separate from Cap.

I also kind of enjoy the tragic aspect of it, that they were never really able to build a life together.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56890: May 12th 2016 at 1:37:52 PM

http://jamigold.com/2015/02/is-love-conquers-all-realistic/

http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2010/09/01/the-stigma-of-happy-a-rant/

there's nothing wrong with romance and happy endings as long as it's not needlessly used Unum Lois lane

edited 12th May '16 1:38:05 PM by FictionWriterKing

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56891: May 12th 2016 at 1:47:31 PM

I love though that not only Cap inspired her to found Shield and protect the world in his place, he is also constantly inspired by her.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56892: May 12th 2016 at 1:56:01 PM

Lupita is one of the first times I've seen a very popular fancast for a movie get picked...as someone other than the character in the movie everyone wanted her to be.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
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#56894: May 12th 2016 at 2:03:03 PM

Benedict Cumberbatch was a popular fancast who got picked for exactly the character people wanted him to be.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56895: May 12th 2016 at 2:07:10 PM

[up][up]Not sure what you mean. Strange was the popular fancast for Cumberbatch that I saw.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#56896: May 12th 2016 at 2:09:43 PM

Can we get a gif of Bucky and Sam approving already? I feel like that's a scene that could be used in one of those "Here's all the great things the critics are saying!" trailers, especially as it's not spoiler filled.

[up]I didn't see anyone want him for Doctor Strange, mainly because I and others who were fancasting for Doctor Strange were hoping it would go to Pedro Pascal, Oded Fehr, or someone not white and at peak pop culture saturation.

edited 12th May '16 2:11:13 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56897: May 12th 2016 at 2:15:34 PM

"Two spiders team up to catch an ant."

EDIT: Whups, I posted this in the wrong thread.

edited 12th May '16 3:00:39 PM by Tuckerscreator

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#56898: May 12th 2016 at 2:22:02 PM

He will be a VERY fulfilling dinner.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56900: May 12th 2016 at 4:02:56 PM

I can't believe they didn't do the James joke.


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