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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#56851: May 12th 2016 at 11:38:30 AM

I want her to be a more active love interest. Letting Lupita be awesome and not consigning her to the "she's only their to be the GF" is very much the more appealing option to me. Basically perhaps more a Peggy Carter type than a Jane Foster/Betty Ross one. Perhaps she could be the head of the Dora Milaje or something? That way you can have both (she's a LI yet also awesome in her own right).

Romances aren't inherently bad, if they're written well and it doesn't feel like the female is just there to be the hookup for the hero. As others have said, Cap/Peggy and Tony/Pepper (curse you CW, that was not cool) are two good examples of well-done romances. And on TV you have Coulson/Rosalind Price or even Mockingbird/Hunter after awhile. On the other hand, you have Thor/Jane, Cap/Sharon, etc which are, less so.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56852: May 12th 2016 at 11:48:10 AM

I was hoping she would play Shuri rather than a love interest, but the Dora Milaje idea sounds cool. Possibly even Nakia/Malice if they're going to subvert love interest tropes, although there's some problems I have with the Woman Scorned nature of Nakia's character. Although her being a the captain of the royal guard and there being a forbidden love vs duty element (that's not the Widow/Banner crap) could potentially be interesting. At any rate she's probably not Monica Lynne, Early-Bird Cameo Monica Rambeau, or a Storm Expy.

edited 12th May '16 11:49:24 AM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56853: May 12th 2016 at 11:51:44 AM

Quill/Gamora was a deliberate subversion of the usually romance trope, so it really doesn't count. And Cap/Sharon has barely started. I can say that after seeing Civil War I am more open to it than beforehand, especially since I really like Sharon. Either way, it depends on what they do with them in the future.

Pepperony is a mixed bag for me.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56854: May 12th 2016 at 11:52:59 AM

So nobody has an opinion on Bruce/Betty?

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#56855: May 12th 2016 at 11:54:47 AM

They forgot about it, so their opinion is probably "forgettable."

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#56856: May 12th 2016 at 11:55:21 AM

Bruce/Betty was, ok imo. Not great, not horrible. Just, decent.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#56857: May 12th 2016 at 11:55:27 AM

I remember them arguing over pants.

Otherwise, nothing really stands out since its been so long since I saw the movie.

I doubt we'll get Betty though since I doubt Hulk is going to get his own movie in the foreseeable future.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#56858: May 12th 2016 at 11:58:03 AM

True, although I guess if they could bring Thunderbolt Ross back after like eight years in a Cap movie, then it's possible (if still unlikely) that Betty could show up again maybe.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56859: May 12th 2016 at 12:01:31 PM

They'd have to recast, though. I wanna see Banner talking about her a bit in Ragnarok, though.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56860: May 12th 2016 at 12:03:42 PM

It was OK for a romance that took up so much of the movie but it's dead now.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#56861: May 12th 2016 at 12:04:24 PM

Perhaps. In regards to Ragnarok, there was that report that Tessai Thompson's character (who I think will be a version of Valkyrie myself) might end up being Thor's new LI. And now confirmation that Portman is gone makes me wonder about that even more.

Admittedly the interracial romance thing could be really interesting, if it's done well of course.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56862: May 12th 2016 at 12:05:57 PM

Bruce/Betty would've been better if they didn't love triangle it with Dr. Samson, and if they gave Betty more to do than look sad. The scene where she blew up at the crazy taxi driver was so much catharsis after a lot of mostly unexciting drama.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56863: May 12th 2016 at 12:06:30 PM

OK, I have a question that's on a different topic (but has to do with a debate I'm having with someone in the X-Men Apocalypse thread, which is really quiet right now): how does people having prejudice towards mutants in the X-Men comics make sense?

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#56864: May 12th 2016 at 12:07:45 PM

What's wrong with Lupita playing a love interest to T'challa? I mean, most likely, she's going to be more than just a love interest, but like, considering that most black characters in big franchises are constantly de-sexualized by fandom and not allowed to be seen as love interests for the male/female leads, all of this talk about about "I just want her to be awesome, not a love interest" seems mighty suspicious to me.

The same stuff also applies to Tessa Thompson in Thor: Ragnarok, btw.

edited 12th May '16 12:09:06 PM by higherbrainpattern

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56865: May 12th 2016 at 12:08:56 PM

[up][up]It's better suited for that thread or the Marvel Comics thread, but the basic answer boils down to: because mutants are actually dangerous, unlike people of color or gay people or women and so on.

edited 12th May '16 12:09:15 PM by Tuckerscreator

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56866: May 12th 2016 at 12:09:41 PM

Ah, OK. I should probably ask the Marvel Comics thread for more info on this, then.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#56867: May 12th 2016 at 12:12:23 PM

@Higherbrainpattern, Normally I'm inclined to agree but I hate romances and love stories too much.

Excise them from as many movies as you can.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#56868: May 12th 2016 at 12:13:25 PM

I'd like to see Betty show up in Ragnerok. Thinking about it, she and Jane are very similar.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56869: May 12th 2016 at 12:16:44 PM

Nothing, I just think Lupita Nyong'o was my top Shuri fancast and that it was this close to happening but didn't. That doesn't mean I secretly have anything against black people and want to desexualize them. Hell the guy who plays T'Challa is a big Mr. Fanservice and it would be a waste not to take advantage of that like they have with Chris Evans and his tiny tiny shirts. You're reading racist undertones into our statements that simply aren't there. Another black actress can play the love interest.

Though in In general I just have romance fatigue with Marvel though because they clearly don't know how to write them well anymore for their white characters either without Strangling them (or maybe they can, but the higher-ups keep forcing them to rush them becaues they think it'll draw people into the seats when it doesn't).

edited 12th May '16 12:22:25 PM by AlleyOop

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#56870: May 12th 2016 at 12:17:29 PM

I don't like romance in general, but I think the single worst one in the MCU thus far was the stuff with Daredevil and Karen in season 2. As someone else pointed out, she has more chemistry with an Irish mob goon, a deranged killer vigilante, and a married newspaper editor old enough to be her father than she does Matt.

I wonder if them breaking it off partway through was because even the writers realized it was dumb, or that they planned it to be awkward from the start just so they could then call it off as part of Matt's stupidity with his friends.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56871: May 12th 2016 at 12:18:05 PM

If I had my way, Steve/Peggy would be the only romance in the MCU films. I'm not against Steve/Sharon, but the others I can live without.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#56872: May 12th 2016 at 12:22:45 PM

[up]x8 I think a big part of it is that there tends to be more male characters then female characters, which means there are far fewer major female characters who aren't love interests of some description then the other way around.

On the subject of Lupita Nyong’o's specifically, assuming she is going to break from her preference of playing mo-cap characters, my best guess is that she's in talks to play Black Panther's sister. Which probably renders the entire question moot.

[up][up] While I can only speak for myself, I'll admit that the reason the Matt/Karen relationship didn't bother me is because I never believed I was supposed to buy into it, and instead was just sitting back and waiting for it to crash and burn.

edited 12th May '16 12:24:58 PM by Falrinn

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56873: May 12th 2016 at 12:25:35 PM

"Fitzsimmons"

Please, that ships is just misery incarnate, the writer really like to shit on them in a regular basis

" think they tried to set Widow/Hulk in Avenger 1, but they don't have much meaningful interaction beside professional because of the sheer amount of characters and Whedon cares more about smark."

Yeah I can see a present from Nat/Bruce, he is the only person Nat have express something beyond her cold exterior which is something.

"And now Freeman and Cumberbacht are both in the MCU. Mighty Vishnu this is going to hit Superwholock levels of cringe."

beg to whatever god is out there the chararter never interact with loki, the sheer level of fangirl would open another portal in new worktongue

"Whedon should have realized that Bruce is nearly old enough to be Natasha's father and being unable to have sex on top of that."

ok, why the complain of being old enought? I mean there is a lot of complain in Thor/Jane but the fact he is older that some countries on earth is never one of them, for me is more that Bruce is dating someone with a huge body count around and unlike him, it wasnt an accident

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#56874: May 12th 2016 at 12:26:28 PM

[up][up]I considered that possibility, but to be honest given the MCU's track record with romances I couldn't tell whether it was supposed to be a genuine attempt or deliberately bad.

edited 12th May '16 12:32:39 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#56875: May 12th 2016 at 12:27:41 PM

Honestly whenever anyone starts complaining about fangirls, all it sounds like to me is 'stop enjoying things the wrong way'

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