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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#56776: May 12th 2016 at 1:05:55 AM

Ultron may or may not have had a crush on Wanda.

And Ultron only accidentally gunned Quicksilver down.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56777: May 12th 2016 at 1:11:00 AM

[up]So, both Ultron and Vision have a thing for wanda....both are sons of Stark, the one Wanda want to destroy and the one who inspared fear to create them in the first place.....

there is a fuck thing going on here, I cant just said whatevil grin

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#56778: May 12th 2016 at 1:13:44 AM

Yeah, while I like him The First Avenger made Cap look op as fuck.
To be fair, it was kind of justified by the setting and the direction of his character. He didn't exactly have much superhero-level completion back in the 40s, and he's supposed to be a huge war hero.

edited 12th May '16 1:14:43 AM by Karxrida

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
rollin' on dubs
#56779: May 12th 2016 at 1:17:07 AM

Cap just can't lose and the Red Skull was a waste of a good Hugo Weaving performance. Nowhere in the first movie did I feel that Cap could lose or that he was in danger. Bucky I know was going to go missing, but at this point it's like all those Titanic movie jokes: SPOILER! THE BOAT SINKS!

The Winter Soldier had Hydra behind all the world's unrest? Really?

Forget ethnic strife, political unrest, the fall of the Wall and years of war it was all Hydra's fault...gag me. The X-files tried the same thing and it sounded like poopy them and is still poopy now. The idea of them using history as an excuse, using the Loki-invasion of NY as an excuse would be a nice idea. The idea that Hydra Is inside SHIELD and most world governments is like a bad RPG splatbook.

I laughed when Zemo killed that Hydra guy with the red book. Zemo is a Hydra agent in the comics and here he DGAF about Hydra or the world. He's like an Anti-Liam Neeson: his family was taken and so he wants to "watch the world burn" (at least the Avengers).

I can take Cap in small doses, and I'm actually warming to Bucky (again it's the Seven of Nine like "becoming human" that opens up a world of storytelling). And with the next movies we get to see Cap really be tested.

Black Panther could have been a Mary Sue, but he was only there when he was needed and he held himself in check. Contrast Supes in Man Of Steel and the many, many justifications of a "hero" straight up 187-ing a character: no Zack Synder didn't get what a hero was. The Russo brothers had to sell a guy in a panther costume (and a black man) as a credible hero. The scene where Black Panther spares Zemo makes me hopeful for a Panther movie.

Cap would have just said some crap about justice, like in the Deadpool movie (only without Deadpool to cap the baddie to cut the speech short).

And really, I'd have loved to see Cap and Deadpool together...even if only in an elevator.

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56780: May 12th 2016 at 1:33:50 AM

Honestly, what most people complain about concerning Age of Ultron doesn't bother me THAT much. Yeah, the Thor tub scene is idiotic, but honestly, Whedon has no idea how to write Thor anyway. Yeah, I like the farm scene (mostly) but I wouldn't have wanted more of it, either, that would have been a drag. Yeah, Ultron was not what I expected, but I honestly don't mind that because it was a different take on the crazy robot.

In the end, for me it boils down to the stupid romance and the lack of screentime allotted to Wanda and Pietro, especially after they joined the Avengers. That's what's so cool about getting new characters, to see how the characters we already have react to them.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56781: May 12th 2016 at 1:41:46 AM

[up]To much diferent take, to few robot killing someone, meh

"he Russo brothers had to sell a guy in a panther costume (and a black man) as a credible hero. "

i dont but him, is arc was cliche and quite boring, they sell me the idea of seen his film and learn more about him, But I coudnt care less about his vengance

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56782: May 12th 2016 at 1:51:25 AM

[up] As far as I can tell you don't like anything about the movie.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#56783: May 12th 2016 at 1:56:10 AM

unknowing just likes to whine

Anyways BP was great. He was a surprisingly reasonable guy and he pulled off that whole regal aspect of the character.

edited 12th May '16 1:56:21 AM by MadSkillz

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56784: May 12th 2016 at 2:06:15 AM

[up]His storyline also fit into the themes of the movies really well, much like Zemo's - and it works nicely as a setup for his own movie, without giving too much away about the whole Black Panther legacy, Wakanda, etc. And Chadwick Boseman was great. It's a pity that T'Chaka is already dead, that was a really convincing father-son-dynamic build up in just one short scene. I would have liked to see more of that.

I didn't hate Age of Ultron, but for me, it was a dissatisfying movie. There's lots of stuff in there that could be great, but also lots of stuff that's just bad. And I'm really not over Whedon of all people writing Black Widow as a generic The Chick, who gets the romance and all the "heart moments", and gets kidnapped for the climax.

edited 12th May '16 2:07:55 AM by hollygoolightly

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56785: May 12th 2016 at 2:14:58 AM

[up][up][up]I like panthe,antman and spiderman...not their arc but their costume it make me want to see more movie about them(which is a good point) Zemo while his plans feel off he have a very good point(it almost feel like well deserved take that to happy ending on Ao S) and I enjoy Bucky and...everyone he interact, from Steve and Falcon.

[up][up]Or I have complain of the movie...you know, like a regular person

[up]I do hate Ao U, I feel it build to much and it fail quite hard, the biggest moment is how they rug Wanda accions and Ultron lack of power.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56786: May 12th 2016 at 2:28:47 AM

[up]If I really hate a movie, I mostly avoid talking about it, because otherwise, I only get into an endless cycle of rage. Don't have time for that anymore. :D

edited 12th May '16 2:29:22 AM by hollygoolightly

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56787: May 12th 2016 at 2:32:30 AM

[up]Meh, I like many people like to talk about why they hate something(hell movie like twilight gain a fandom in how hate it was) worst is a generic movie that dosent let you to much to talk, like In my case is Antman which I consider the most generic and regular marvel movie to date

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56788: May 12th 2016 at 2:37:40 AM

[up][up][up][up]

What she did have could've been written better, but it was limited by the fact that Scarlett Johannsen was pregnant and couldn't do any strenuous scenes or fights.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56789: May 12th 2016 at 2:41:46 AM

[up]I think much of the dialogue being cringe worthy was the problem, I think the main issue in that scene is that she said both are monsters when in reallity she is a weapon(well ex weapon) she can control herself, he cant

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56790: May 12th 2016 at 2:53:56 AM

Honestly, Whedon should have realized that Bruce is nearly old enough to be Natasha's father and being unable to have sex on top of that.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56791: May 12th 2016 at 3:18:34 AM

It's possible his intention was for it to be a chaste romance of the heart and mind without objectification or lust, but then you have the dumb boob gag, its ability to sell itself to the audience depends 100% dependent on the romantic chemistry which just wasn't there, and the Steve/Peggy romance already did all of that ten times better anyway.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56792: May 12th 2016 at 3:34:50 AM

Topic change but I think we'be had, what, five films now where the heroes are the ones who have caused the crisis? Iron Man 2 & 3, Age Of Ultron, Ant-Man (from Hank's perspective) and Civil War.

I'm glad the avengers are shown to be very competent at saving people, because I don't want it to feel like they're causing more trouble than they solve

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#56793: May 12th 2016 at 4:24:23 AM

That's not the Avengers causing more trouble than they solve, that's Starks causing more trouble than they solve. Civil War is the only one where any other Avengers share the blame in terms of causing problems.

edited 12th May '16 4:24:38 AM by Galadriel

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#56794: May 12th 2016 at 4:31:27 AM

Well, while Thor didn't directly cause Loki's villainous activity, his stupid decisions early in Thor certainly made things easier for him.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#56795: May 12th 2016 at 4:59:31 AM

[up][up][up] And really mocking Killian (or whatever his name was) years ago and inspiring his Start of Darkness hardly makes his later shenanigans Tony's fault.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56796: May 12th 2016 at 6:25:34 AM

Eh, honestly, Killian deserved that one. Just because Tony is famous, he doesn't have the right to pester him. Tony more or less said him in a veiled way to f...off multiple times and Killian didn't care and just kept following him...away from the party, to the private rooms of the hotel. Emphasis on private.

In addition, Killian's plan had barely anything to do with Tony overall. He wanted his knowledge and for some reason Pepper, but Tony's though that he created "monsters" is hyperbole.

edited 12th May '16 6:27:07 AM by Swanpride

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56797: May 12th 2016 at 6:51:58 AM

Well, the whole terrorist sham plot wouldn't have happened if Tony had solved the Extremis problem in the 90s like he should have.

Howard being a poor judge of character caused so many problems. Iron Man 1, Iron Man 2, Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, and in a weird way , even Civil War.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#56800: May 12th 2016 at 8:01:03 AM

[up] Hm.

He must be in flashbacks.

Crow: There's a plot?

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