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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56726: May 11th 2016 at 6:35:17 PM

A lot of people didn't like Ultron's snarkiness because he was different from the comic Ultron, whose mind was based off of Hank Pym's

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#56727: May 11th 2016 at 6:36:54 PM

[up][up] I believe it's two reasons.

1. There's some sort of licensing deal/rights with Universal I'm not too educated about.

2. Beyond that, reception to the Hulk movie was just really lukewarm. Most people don't even remember or talk about it. It's one of the most forgotten MCU movies.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#56728: May 11th 2016 at 6:38:13 PM

Sounds like good reasons.

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#56729: May 11th 2016 at 6:40:28 PM

There was talk of a Hulk film again after Mark Ruffalo was very well received in The Avengers, but I doubt now they'll attempt it. But at least it means Guardians of the Galaxy got room to debut.

On the topic of Nat-Banner, one could argue it is a consequence of what happens from leaving the roster be just one woman on the team. Since the "lullaby" thing comes from a longstanding trope of "Hulk calms down around pretty woman" so Nat was made to fill the slot.

edited 11th May '16 6:40:39 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#56730: May 11th 2016 at 6:41:28 PM

See, I don't think Age of Ultron had that dark of a tone, specifically because everyone was joking. There was no tension because no one took Ultron's supposed "Threat" seriously. There were no stakes, so upon realizing that he'd written himself into a corner, Whedon artificially raised the stakes with a needless death.

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#56731: May 11th 2016 at 6:44:08 PM

I actually didn't mind that Quicksilver died...

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#56732: May 11th 2016 at 6:46:50 PM

[up]...

Shame.

edited 11th May '16 6:47:04 PM by kkhohoho

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#56733: May 11th 2016 at 6:46:53 PM

I mean, I'm not upset about it, but I recognize it for what it is.

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#56734: May 11th 2016 at 6:46:55 PM

I didn't hate the snark, but I'm not sure why Whedon felt the need to make Ultron that kind of villain.

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#56735: May 11th 2016 at 6:47:30 PM

Personally, after watching Day of the Future Past, MCU!Quicksilver just looked so underwhelming compared to FOX!Quicksilver. [lol]

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If MCU!Quicksilver was that strong, it would have been story breaking. [lol][lol]

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#56736: May 11th 2016 at 6:47:32 PM

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Because evil Tony, I think.

edited 11th May '16 6:48:04 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#56737: May 11th 2016 at 6:50:35 PM

Despite being in a darker movie, Foxsilver is even more fun personified than MCUsilver.

edited 11th May '16 6:51:01 PM by flameboy21th

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#56738: May 11th 2016 at 6:51:02 PM

[up][up][up][up] Because Whedon.

edited 11th May '16 6:51:12 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#56739: May 11th 2016 at 6:51:45 PM

Loki wasn't too snarky, though.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#56740: May 11th 2016 at 7:01:28 PM

To be honest, Comics!Ultron can be too Generic Doomsday Villain at times. It's like he takes himself so seriously, so self-importantly, but lacking Doom's actual grandiosity, so he comes off as just a self-stuck braggart constantly ballyhooing his own ROBOT SUPERIORITY... to the point giving him some snark at least made him less Token Bad to me.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#56741: May 11th 2016 at 7:04:44 PM

Throwing my hat into the "Ultron was fine being snarky" pile. The movie had issues, but that wasn't one of them.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56742: May 11th 2016 at 7:17:01 PM

" so upon realizing that he'd written himself into a corner, Whedon artificially raised the stakes with a needless death."

No even that because Utron was already beaten in the the awfull "in retrospective" so quicksilver death feel shorehorn into the whole thing because he need a death.

The biggest falling is not Ultron being snarky, is him not being threating.

Ultron is getting a new body? the avenger stolen and make a new hero!

There are people in the island the avenger cant save(even when steve said he would save them for some stupid reason)? papa nick come with a helicarrier from.....hell know where.

Ultron unleash horde and horde of droid? they are as good as Star wars droid

Ultron itself? last like 2 moment and them is defeat in a awfull fashion, them they return to their bases and gather a new team with a trimpuh show in the distance.....

Yeah

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#56743: May 11th 2016 at 7:18:56 PM

Nick Fury gets the Helicarrier from Coulson. The Helicarrier was restored/refurbished by Coulson and sent to Fury on AOS last season.

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#56744: May 11th 2016 at 7:29:06 PM

Oh, we're talking about Age of Ultron here?

Because let me just say, I really liked the idea of Tony creating Ultron instead of Hank - it just makes a lot more sense to me that the robotics genius would create a killer robot then the guy who developed a shrinking potion and a device to control ants.

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#56745: May 11th 2016 at 7:37:11 PM

They changed it from Pym to Stark to keep Pym from being an unbelievable Omnidisciplinary Scientist. ...But then they both became one anyway.

I got bored/annoyed with Ultron's snark. And almost all of it in that movie, really. It was like no one was taking anything seriously.

edited 11th May '16 7:37:39 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#56746: May 11th 2016 at 7:40:14 PM

I figured it was similar to the reason why Spidey makes jokes. Its a way to cope with being in dangerous situations.

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#56747: May 11th 2016 at 7:41:11 PM

No, they changed it from Pym to Stark because Pym wasn't introduced yet.

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#56748: May 11th 2016 at 7:55:28 PM

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Agreed. I mean, sometimes you just gotta crack jokes when things are going crazy, because otherwise you realize your fighting killer robots on a flying island with a bow.tongue

Also, it could be a sign of how badass they are that they can talk so casually while in the middle of a battle. Like that one scene in the beginning with Cap and Thor when they combine the hammer like in the first movie (though this time on purpose)

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#56749: May 11th 2016 at 8:13:52 PM

The second one is my problem, though. It makes the Avengers seem so badass that, again, there's no threat, conflict, or tension.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56750: May 11th 2016 at 8:25:14 PM

They changed it from Pym to Stark to keep Pym from being an unbelievable Omnidisciplinary Scientist. ...But then they both became one anyway.

They changed it to Tony because Whedon wanted to use Ultron and Pym isn't an Avenger in this continuity. The whole point of Ultron was that he's a a threat created by the Avengers, so they pawned his creation off on someone else.


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