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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#56651: May 11th 2016 at 8:30:32 AM

So, based on Civil War, I have a theory about how Captain Marvel will be introduced in the MCU:

After air force soldier Carol Danvers gets her superpowers, the U.S. Air Force (and the U.S. government in general) push for her to put on a costume and call herself Captain Marvel, because now that War Machine is crippled and Captain America has gone rogue, they need a replacement supehero/mascot. The Captain Marvel name would be an in-universe attempt to replicate the P.R. success they had with Captain America.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#56652: May 11th 2016 at 8:34:09 AM

@windleopard:

Tony: We need to be kept in check. We need oversight

Tony: *Tells Peter that he'll tell Aunt May about Spidey unless he agree to basically be a child soldier for him*

Tony:....Well, Captain America needs oversight. I don't, lol.

edited 11th May '16 8:34:57 AM by higherbrainpattern

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#56653: May 11th 2016 at 8:40:43 AM

[up] [lol]

The use of blackmail turned me against him a little bit.

edited 11th May '16 8:40:58 AM by yellowturtle

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#56654: May 11th 2016 at 8:45:58 AM

I feel like people are giving Steve too much leeway and Stark too much crap because Rogers is the supposed hero of the movie.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56655: May 11th 2016 at 8:48:59 AM

From what I see, most people over the internet are on Tony's side. The Steve side (which I'm on) is in the minority.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#56656: May 11th 2016 at 8:51:00 AM

That is the exact opposite of what I've been seeing.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56657: May 11th 2016 at 8:51:47 AM

I guess that makes it 50-50 then.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56658: May 11th 2016 at 8:51:54 AM

Hehe, you could say the fans are having a Civil War of their own.

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#56659: May 11th 2016 at 8:59:50 AM

To be fair his instructions to Peter were to keep his distance and web stuff, he only wanted Parker to use his extremely effective non-lethal weapons technology to keep Cap's team down, it wasn't supposed to be as big a fight as it turned out

And re-blackmailed him into calling it quits and going home as soon as he got injured. Whether Stark forcibly drafted him or gave him the kick in the butt he needs to achieve his potential is entirely a matter of perspective, but the way Stark treats him and the positive way Peter responds to that treatment puts me in the latter camp.

Steve, on the other hand, dropped a shipping container on him.

[up] Good. We're supposed to. That's the entire point of the event, and the film did a fantastic job of living up to it in a way that the comic failed at.

edited 11th May '16 9:00:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#56660: May 11th 2016 at 9:00:50 AM

Yeah I've seen support and condemnation for both Tony and Steve in droves.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56662: May 11th 2016 at 9:03:05 AM

Nominally, Tony's side is the more rational one - before Winter Soldier, the Avengers did have oversight by SHIELD, and having them be what amounts to a privatized vigilante group just isn't a particularly good idea. But Tony himself isn't particularly rational, and like Steve, he escalates the conflict. It's a clash over personalities and issues and personal trauma, and only after that, ideologies. I didn't come out of the movie feeling that Tony was right, I came out of it feeling "Okay, a large amount of you guys need therapy, and also, you might look into hiring a lawyer to look at those Accords."

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#56663: May 11th 2016 at 9:04:00 AM

Scott was dangerous in that he was a bit careless with some of his attacks, but not only was Vision careless, he had zero self-restraint, and easily could've killed Cap & Bucky by dropping a building on them, and Falcon or Rhodes by the shot that paralyzed Rhodes.

Vision dropped a building in front of them, not on them. The only reason they were able to close distance and get under it before it hit is because Wanda was holding up the debris.

[up] A lawyer would be too busy explaining to them why everything the Avengers have ever done is astonishingly illegal to even begin talking about the Accords.

edited 11th May '16 9:05:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#56664: May 11th 2016 at 9:06:39 AM

Yeah, I get both sides entirely but in the end I feel like Stark and his side came off slightly better than Rogers who seems too selfish.

Everyone made mistakes, did shady stuff, made stupid decisions, and acted emotionally and irrationally, as humans do. I agree with that. I noted every flaw both sides had, it's just I felt like at the end of the movie the title character felt a little bit more like a Well-Intentioned Extremist than the hero.

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#56665: May 11th 2016 at 9:06:49 AM

Maybe that's why She-Hulk hasn't appeared yet.

She started a face palm and just can't stop.

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hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56666: May 11th 2016 at 9:08:21 AM

[up][up][up]I guess that wouldn't have been very fascinating as a 2.5 hours movie... in contrast to Avengers - Group Therapy. Which this technically was, only without a competent therapist, and much more frozen assassins.

[up][up]I would be lying if I said Steve came out looking worse for me for being selfish. But that's in part because I think Bucky deserves that chance at a life, and Steve is literally the only one in the movie who believes that. But Tony doesn't really look worse, either I think what he tries in the end is reprehensible, but of course, oh so understandable. Try having his baggage and react differently. I guess, in the end, I'd probably side with T'Challa.

edited 11th May '16 9:12:11 AM by hollygoolightly

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#56667: May 11th 2016 at 9:09:34 AM

But she needs to show up. If for no other reason because the Avengers need a lawyer to defend them and also to explain to them, rationally and reasonably and with a big looming green fist, why their actions are illegal and/or stupid.

SHE-HULK FOR PHASE 4! SHE-HULK FOR PHASE 4!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#56668: May 11th 2016 at 9:12:48 AM

Apparently the thing is that Marvel can't release a movie titled She-Hulk because it runs afoul of their deal with Universal or whoever.

They can use the character but she'll never get her own movie.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#56669: May 11th 2016 at 9:12:55 AM

[up] Doubt it. Hulk and associated character's rights are still tied up with Universal. They got him for the Avengers films but no solos.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#56670: May 11th 2016 at 9:15:59 AM

They should try. Marvel needs more women and the Avengers need a lawyer.

No, not Murdock, a real lawyer.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#56671: May 11th 2016 at 9:16:56 AM

Technically, they can still make a Hulk film, but Universal would have distribution rights.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56672: May 11th 2016 at 9:17:11 AM

Wow. This rights issues bullshit is really killing them...

Well, ok, not really but still.

How can Hulk not have any solo films when he had one back in 2008?

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#56673: May 11th 2016 at 9:17:26 AM

[up] Hey, just because he's an irresponsible lawyer doesn't mean he's not a real one.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#56674: May 11th 2016 at 9:19:09 AM

[up]And She-Hulk in the comics has made her own share of blunders.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56675: May 11th 2016 at 9:22:03 AM

Doesn't Steve have an ex in the comics who is also a lawyer? They could introduce her. And maybe she has this colleague, who accidentally got in contact with Gamma radiation... completely unrelated to Bruce's experiments, of course.


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