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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56576: May 10th 2016 at 11:41:12 AM

I thought her first appearance in the comics was gazing at infidel meat? (Her words, not mine)

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#56577: May 10th 2016 at 11:50:31 AM

I meant in the Captain Marvel comics, there was a panel towards the end that showed Kamala putting up a Captain Marvel poster, teasing her then future series.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56580: May 10th 2016 at 1:10:58 PM

Don't remember that scene in the actual movie. Was it deleted or just reshot?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56582: May 10th 2016 at 1:30:16 PM

Bitter.

I didn't know Civil War already won an Oscar. Just like all the other Marvel movies.

edited 10th May '16 1:31:44 PM by Tuckerscreator

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56583: May 10th 2016 at 1:36:44 PM

I've seen plenty of fanboys claim that critics were being payed off to give certain review scores whenever an unfavorable score is given to a film they either like or dislike. It happened when Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice started getting low critical reception, and now it''s happening with X-Men: Apocalypse.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#56584: May 10th 2016 at 1:38:26 PM

Wait, what's bad about X-Men Apocalypse?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56585: May 10th 2016 at 1:41:31 PM

Scott Mendelson , the author of the Forbes review of the film, wrote this about it on Rotten Tomatoes:

Easily the worst "team" X-MEN movie ever made. Makes X-MEN: THE LAST STAND look like X-MEN: FIRST CLASS.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#56586: May 10th 2016 at 1:45:23 PM

How did it turn out bad?

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#56587: May 10th 2016 at 1:46:23 PM

From what I read of the reviews: most of the characters (Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Psyloche) get little or no development, those that do aren't particularly well characterized, the main villain is uninteresting, and the whole thing just doesn't hold together well.

edited 10th May '16 1:47:10 PM by Galadriel

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56588: May 10th 2016 at 1:47:00 PM

The film isn't out yet, so critical reception is all anyone has to go on.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56589: May 10th 2016 at 1:48:16 PM

These people know that Rotten Tomatoes is owned by Warner Bros right?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56591: May 10th 2016 at 2:05:01 PM

So a few pages back (I can't remember where unfortunately) I came up with the theory that Howard Stark purposely set up the incident at the beginning of Ant Man in order to both test Hank Pym's loyalties, and get the Pym Particles out of the hands of Hydra.

Most thought it was plausible based off the thing with hiding the true Arc Reactor in that display. However, post Civil War I now have doubts.

Some slight Spoilers for Civil War (nothing specific, but still):

There's a two year gap between the falling out with Pym and Howard's death. While it's possible that Hank cut him off so thoroughly that Howard never got a chance to explain himself (as I theorized he'd planned to do eventually), I find it strange that between Hank's departure from Shield in 1989 and Howard's death in 1991, Howard did nothing to try and fix things. The second point is what Howard was apparently doing before he died, which somewhat contradicts a revelation he had in Agent Carter.

These two things not only make me question my theory, but question if Howard really did know about the Hydra infiltration like we thought.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56592: May 10th 2016 at 2:12:49 PM

The second point is what Howard was apparently doing before he died, which somewhat contradicts a revelation he had in Agent Carter.

Howard in Agent Carter was never sorry for keeping Steve's blood.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56593: May 10th 2016 at 2:14:59 PM

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Well, I suppose he was more sorry that he kept it a secret from Peggy. In the end, he did let her destroy it. But like I said, with what I saw in the movie, there's something fishy going on, and I'm wondering if that was really the last vial of Steve's blood or not.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56594: May 10th 2016 at 2:17:27 PM

He never let her destroy it. Howard stole it again in the last episode when Peggy's back was turned, then Jarvis secretly took it from him, causing Howard to believe he had lost the vial when he was captured. Jarvis was the one who gave it to Peggy so she could destroy it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56595: May 10th 2016 at 2:34:00 PM

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Oh yeah. You're right. Then I guess he must have kept some notes or something.

One Strip! One Strip!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56596: May 10th 2016 at 2:46:42 PM

The Super Serum was too valuable to stop fiddling around with. The whole point behind Hulk's origin was that Ross was trying to get him to create something similar, wasn't it? (It's been a while since I watched that movie.

edited 10th May '16 2:46:51 PM by comicwriter

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#56597: May 10th 2016 at 2:56:26 PM

Ross was trying to get Banner to make something like it, I think. I know he had something he gave to Blonsky that was an imperfect version.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#56598: May 10th 2016 at 3:00:13 PM

Did anyone wish for some old bad guy cameos on the Raft? Hammer or Batroc or something, even just a smashed-up room that said "Abomination". It was one of those scenes that made you realize just how... empty the MCU is.

My various fanfics.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#56599: May 10th 2016 at 3:01:02 PM

Batroc is just a pirate, he'd be in a smaller scale prison, and Hammer is already in a different prison as shown in All Hail the King.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#56600: May 10th 2016 at 3:03:12 PM

[up][up]I did too. Maybe even a completely new villain as a Sequel Hook in there.


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