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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Generally, if you're a well known spy, you're a pretty crappy one.
edited 6th May '16 5:22:08 PM by LordVatek
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That could be an aspect of the movie.
How does Black Widow do the Black Widow thing when everyone knows who Black Widow is thanks to the events of Winter Soldier and her serving with the Avengers and yeah probably Civil War haven't seen it yet.
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I'm game. They could probably work out something with that face-changer thing from Winter Soldier if it became an issue.
Actually there is a question a movie can do about Black widow, you see smething that it repeat about her is that she follow the person with moral ground(or so she see) Hydra,Shield,Cap and Tony...but now all that is gone, she dosent have anyone to back up and now is on her own...can she know what is right and wrong?
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"A Black Widow movie could also be a way to use Nick Fury in a bigger role. I was quite intrigued by their relationship in Winter Soldier. And Sharon Carter could also show up. We've talked about using her in a capacity that isn't necessarily tied to Steve, and a spy thriller would be a really good opportunity.
Yeah, Sharon would actually make a pretty good backup since she sorely needs a source of development apart from Satellite Love Interest. Anyway back to the Ant-Man comparison that's a good point. Ant-Man was a lot lower-stakes and cheaper to make than AOU but it happens to be one of my faves in the whole MCU, and a good way to wind down before Civil War. A Black Widow solo movie would make for a solid opening to Phase 4 or to clean up possible loose ends of Infinity War and the possible impact of whatever Thanos was doing on Earth and its governments/intellgence agencies.
Another supporting character that might work out in a Black Widow movie is actually Hope van Dyme since she'll officially be The Wasp by then. Shrinking powers have a lot of espionage potential and showing up in a movie without Ant-Man would go a long way to establishing her as a hero in her own right.
If a more comics-accurate AIM is the antagonist there wouldn't be any potential issues with tone, and as long as they cross paths in Infinity War it's easy to explain how they get in contact with each other.
A Black Widow film would be great way to keep the Captain America extended cast active. Bucky, Sam, Sharon, Nick and Maria.
I'd like Rhodey there too, but I guess he would be a better fit as a Captain Marvel supporting cast member.
On the topic of orphaned supporting cast, I wander where Pepper Potts could turn up next, I'd hate not to see her again.
And the Warriors Three and Sif seem destined to obscurity once the Thor films end, though I expect them to turn up in infinity war.
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So a MCU Femme Fatale film? That's... not a bad idea at all.
I'd wait until I've seen Wasp as a member of the Avengers and her interactions with the rest of the team (mainly Widow, and maybe Sharon/Maria) to see if she would work in such film. If she does I hope she keeps her bitchy attitude, it'd make a good contrast with Nat's snarky yet warm personality.
And if Sharon and Maria get in the film it would be amazing to have a fight scene with Nat, Sharon and Maria fighting against either a shitload of mooks or a Cap-level enemy. I really liked Nat and Sharon's dynamics when fighting against Bucky, and was a little bit disappointed that it was as short as it was. Also, I just love when movie villains don't treat women as fragile beings; the way Bucky threw Sharon against that table and how she took the hit was beautiful.
One other thing: I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I wouldn't put Wanda in this movie. I don't think her character arc nor her powerset would really work in a spy superhero-thriller.
edited 6th May '16 7:43:34 PM by ExplosiveLion
Putting all the girls together in a single movie might send a weird message too, when female characters should be able to stand on their own, no more or less different from the male characters. Not every female character has to be friends with every other female character, just like not all black characters are friends with each other either.
Ok, it seen people want an all women team....intersting.
Anyway, I saw Iron man 1 again and....is weird, it feel very low key, without flashy fights and without a huge soundtrack around, Tony is arrogant but not quipy(damn Wheedon) and Obiadiah raise the point that Tony maybe have some PTDS after his time in the cave, that SOMETHING happen to him after that.
Also the whole thing It feel like a sci fiction movie, with much time devote to armour, it feel less like a comic book where the element is just there to explain a chararter super power, that gave it a unique touch I really like
In general is a very good movie and I can see why it start the MCU as whole
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Just got back from Civil War. Holy shit that was good. Gotta say, Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Ant-Man/Giant Man really stole the show.
"Whoooaaa, something just went inside of me!"
Also, Tony Stank.
RE: Black Widow: I can go either way on a solo Black Widow film. I certainly would go see it and probably love it, but I don't feel like she needs one either; like Hawkeye, her recurring roles in other people's films kinda feels like a "Black Widow movie" stretched out over them, and I feel she works best when the audience doesn't know everything she's up to, which is tough as a lead protagonist.
I think she was at her weakest in Age of Ultron, partly because we were privy to everything she did, felt, and thought, which made her feel less like a master spy and more like a Badass Normal amongst superheroes and Badasser-Normals. In Winter Soldier, Civil War, Avengers, and even Iron Man 2, she's constantly surprising us by going off-camera for extended periods of time only to come back and pull some stunt that reminds us why she's the famed Black Widow.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!edited 6th May '16 8:46:07 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Having a lot of women who would be expected to know each other, like Black Widow, Maria Hill, and Sharon Carter (who were all shown talking about or to each other in TWS) work together is one thing. Having all of them in the same movie together, A-Force style, is another. Not to sound like I'm knocking on A-Force though.
edited 6th May '16 8:55:20 PM by AlleyOop
Basically after Winter Soldier I like Black Widow enough that I would watch a movie about her provided the team behind it was good, and a spy movie isn't something we've gotten in the MCU until now so it's relatively new ground.
It also does not prevent other female characters from getting films and if anything its success might signal to studios that female-led superhero films are viable (Wonder Woman might do that beforehand but the jury is still out on that one).
Actually, when I suggested a Spy movie with Black Widow, Maria Hill and Sharon Carter, I didn't do it because they are all females, but because they are all SPIES! The best spies in the MCU save for Nick Fury (who yes, could turn up too, but his character works the best when he suddenly drops in, I can't see him being the whole time around because he would constantly predict what the enemy plans to do and have a contingency plan for everything...that would go old fast) and some of the Agents of Shield (and there the best field agents all happen to be female, too, so there is that). That Maria Hill and Sharon Carter would get some well-deserved character development is just a bonus. Sharon really grew on me in the last movie, she feels, just like Peggy, like the heroine of another story, and I would really like to see something of this story.
And who says that they all have to be friends? They could, just like the Avengers, have their personal conflicts, but still work together professionally. Maybe even better than them because, again, trained Spies.
Granted, you could throw Clint in there, but he is not particularly stealthy, and kind of retired.
I considered the possibility of putting the Wasp or Ant-man in there, too, but I think it might be best idea to stick with more traditional spy-craft for this movie...cheaper, too.

MCU mixes genres with superhero trappings. So why not just a James Bond movie starring Black Widow?
She's got to be the most well known spy in the world by this point.
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