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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56376: May 6th 2016 at 4:10:44 AM

"I'm slow, why'd he walk off? Can't be a meta-joke on the character because Olsen and Boseman's characters aren't American and they're there."

I thought it was more along the lines of :"Nah, I'm not joining this, you're all crazy." At least that's what I'm reading in his facial expression.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#56377: May 6th 2016 at 5:12:27 AM

I thought it was becuase he's the only one of them not born in America, he's Romanian.

The Blog The Art
FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56378: May 6th 2016 at 9:43:24 AM

Michael Giacchino makes Dr. Strange's OST

warrior93 warrior93 from North Carolina Since: Feb, 2011
warrior93
#56379: May 6th 2016 at 10:07:03 AM

Saw Civil War last tonight and I loved it.

Place your past in a book burn the pages let them cook.
yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#56380: May 6th 2016 at 10:58:36 AM

[up] I want to go to that time limbo.

Crow: There's a plot?
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#56381: May 6th 2016 at 1:40:03 PM

An interview with Kevin Feige from Deadline just came out.

Sounds like he's finally committed to making a Black Widow movie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#56382: May 6th 2016 at 1:41:41 PM

Thats a start

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FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#56383: May 6th 2016 at 2:37:14 PM

I don't really want a Black Widow movie. She's already been a major character in five movies. I think other characters deserve a chance to shine.

Make mine Marvel.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#56384: May 6th 2016 at 2:40:10 PM

Some of those five movies were Iron Man 2 though.

edited 6th May '16 2:40:26 PM by Bocaj

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56385: May 6th 2016 at 2:44:15 PM

It sounds like the Russo Brothers are interested in doing a Black Widow movie...that would be great, because they have by far the best handle on her character.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#56386: May 6th 2016 at 2:45:02 PM

Now let's just hope making two Avengers movies doesn't break them like it did Joss Whedon.

edited 6th May '16 2:45:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56387: May 6th 2016 at 2:45:57 PM

[up] Since they don't write those movies but direct them and they work in a pair, not alone, I think they will manage. They are way better in delegating stuff than other directors are.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56388: May 6th 2016 at 2:48:46 PM

~Walks into thread~

~Starts clapping~

~Walks out of thread while giving a [tup]~

One Strip! One Strip!
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#56389: May 6th 2016 at 2:50:30 PM

I personally would like a movie where Widow doesn't have to share the spotlight with a kazillion other people.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56390: May 6th 2016 at 2:53:23 PM

I would love a movie in which Black Widow pairs up with Maria Hill and Sharon Carter for a proper Spy mission.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#56391: May 6th 2016 at 2:56:44 PM

They could bring Hawkeye. Someone needs to play the damsel.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#56392: May 6th 2016 at 3:49:23 PM

I just don't care about a Black Widow film. Not everyone needs a film, and I've gotten a lot of her, like Falcon, Hawkeye, etc, from previous films. It could probably be good, but what would it actually bring to the table besides Marvel saying "we want your money"?

And if it's just to have a female lead in a movie: Carol Danvers, Monica Rambeau, Jennifer Walters, Jessica Drew, Kamala Khan. They, like Black Widow, would have potential for an origin story, interactions with other characters, and new action. They're also uncharted territory.

Hell, part of the interesting stuff about Black Widow is that we ''don't' know everything about her.

edited 6th May '16 3:52:42 PM by wanderlustwarrior

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56393: May 6th 2016 at 4:19:36 PM

" but what would it actually bring to the table besides Marvel saying "we want your money"?"

Just like Iron man 2 bring nothing aside the conexion to other hero, Iron man 3 being useless as Thor 2?

"And if it's just to have a female lead in a movie: Carol Danvers, Monica Rambeau, Jennifer Walters, Jessica Drew, Kamala Khan. They, like Black Widow, would have potential for an origin story, interactions with other characters, and new action. They're also uncharted territory. "

Is not jessica drew in a serie already? and I think kamala Khan could be use now in a movie but for the rest...I dont really want a origin movie, I really dont

"Hell, part of the interesting stuff about Black Widow is that we ''don't' know everything about her. "

Is less intersting now and becoming more annoying consider they haven reveal thing for a while, she is less "mysterious" and more "Bland" for it

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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#56394: May 6th 2016 at 4:26:17 PM

Honestly a Black Widow movie sounds really cool, especially if the Russo Brothers are behind it. A Black Widow project definitely needs people who understand how to write her character behind it, and they've earned my trust. (assuming of course their usual writing team of Mc Feely and the guy whose name escapes me come along as well)

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56395: May 6th 2016 at 4:29:02 PM

Also, I think russo are better with fight when is badass normal, as Vision and Wanda feel very underused in the fight, so having a Black widow movie will better for them.

But who would be the villian? I said A.I.M since it allow all crazy shit and pseudo HYDRA without deaing with them because they are burn out in the moment.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#56396: May 6th 2016 at 4:50:39 PM

[up][up]Markus & Mc Feely.

[up][up][up]I'm just gonna say "I disagree", and leave it at that.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56397: May 6th 2016 at 4:58:29 PM

As that survey or whatever it said, there's definitely audience demand and therefore money to be made from a Black Widow solo movie. It doesn't have to necessarily delve into her backstory even. She can be the main plot-mover with Hawkeye and maybe Bucky (depending on his state) serving as backup. The Winter Soldier showed you don't need a lot of flashy special effects and superpowers in your fights to make a good movie, as long as the hand-to-hand combat is eyecatching and it features strong characterization and writing. Plus we can see more of her sneaky side as a sapper type and maybe that'll put to rest the idea that usefulness on the Avengers means more than just being able to punch or shoot really hard.

Anyway I'm not too worried about them not being able to make an interesting plot out of it. Yelena Belova is a popular choice for villain, or it could introduce Secret Invasion with her playing mindgames against her Skrull adversaries, complete with the usual spy film betrayals and questions of who to trust.

hollygoolightly Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56398: May 6th 2016 at 5:05:39 PM

I would very much like a Black Widow movie, especially if it's done by someone like the Russos. Hawkeye and possibly Bucky as supporting characters would be great, too. And it's not like this keeps them from doing other movies with female leads. At least it shouldn't.

Someone above asked about Jessica Drew having a series - in case you mean a TV show, that's Jessica Jones. Jessica Drew is Spider-Woman, right?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#56399: May 6th 2016 at 5:15:22 PM

I remember being a little iffy on the idea of a Black Widow movie in phase 3 since the MCU is getting bigger, louder, and more cosmic with each movie, and a movie about a character without tangible superpowers would be a massive step backwards.

But when I started thinking about it in Phase 4, a smaller scale spy-thriller starring Black Widow might be the just the thing the MCU needs. It can't really go any larger scale then Infinity War, so it's going to need a movie to yank things back into a more reasonable frame.

And sure she doesn't have tangible superpowers, but in the comics she was injected with a super-soldier serum, so why not just make that a plot point of her movie?

And I'd be cool with the Russos directing it since they are 2/2 on (in my opinion at least) getting Black Widow right.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#56400: May 6th 2016 at 5:17:35 PM

I wouldn't consider it a step backwards because a film's quality has nothing to do with its scale.


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