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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56276: May 4th 2016 at 10:02:39 AM

https://twitter.com/scottderrickson/status/727813975149137920

Good to know he got the message. Hopefully Marvel can do better in the future.

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#56278: May 4th 2016 at 10:07:15 AM

How much has been filmed? Maybe they have enough time to change some of it.

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#56280: May 4th 2016 at 10:10:04 AM

It would depend on a lot of factors like where they are in shooting, how large her role is, and especially the financial cost to replace her.

If her contract has a Pay-or-Play guarantee, it absolutely won't happen.

edited 4th May '16 10:10:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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#56281: May 4th 2016 at 10:12:31 AM

The movie releases this November right? I'm pretty sure it should already have been filmed in its entirety. Right now they're probably just doing post production.

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#56282: May 4th 2016 at 10:12:58 AM

I understand that they'd be facing political issues no matter who they picked, and I like Swinton as an actress, so I honestly can't see why reshoots would be desirable.

edited 4th May '16 10:13:37 AM by yellowturtle

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#56283: May 4th 2016 at 10:26:33 AM

The movie releases this November right? I'm pretty sure it should already have been filmed in its entirety. Right now they're probably just doing post production.

Which is why the size of her role is an important point. Then again, it may also be self-defeating.

Like, if she's only important for maybe 10 minutes of screentime, it might be worth it to reshoot her scenes in order to win back the Asian crowd. But if she's supposed to be there for the entire film, then that's an awful lot of reshooting.

But on the other hand, if her role really is just ten minutes of Mystic Asian Master before the plot begins, then reshooting her scenes might just be solving one problem with another. It may only be worth the representation if she has too much presence to justify the financial cost.

But on the bizarre, mutated third hand that one should probably see a doctor about, stereotypical archetypes and tokenism are a step up from erasure, so it might still be worth the representation even if it is just rocking the cliché.

Honestly, if Marvel takes anything away from this, that lesson should be it: it's true that people don't like to see marginalized demographics presented as one-dimensional stereotypes, but seeing them not represented at all is even worse. Their heart was in the right place with Swinton's casting, they're just very new to the concept that people other than heterosexual white men exist.

edited 4th May '16 10:29:56 AM by TobiasDrake

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56284: May 4th 2016 at 10:34:15 AM

[up]I would rather have a token racist cardboard subverted or not existing at all than played straight. Always sticking POC in such roles simply means your limiting them to those roles. It's a glass ceiling. Ancient One, much like Mandarin, would need an entire update or actually embrace the ethicnity they revolve around none stereotypically but for Ancient One he is first off magical before whatever hampshire of Asia he was raised in; key fact; it's a phony mystical one. Magic is more important than showing off Asian culture while him being Asian is just an extra effect for orientalism. The way he's dressed, talks, and looks are associated with the exotic nature of those yellow robe wearing bald head monks. I don't want anyone adapting that. Unless your trying to show what white people once thought Far East Asians were like then... it should be avoided. Same for anyone who dresses up American Indians as the Lone Ranger in modern times while having them practice shaman abilities they're inherently born with uhuhmHarryPotterMarvel'sWarpath. I think there would be far more black lash if Scott Derrickson choose to go the comicbook root via an Asian actor/actress fulfilling Yao's comicbook purpose. It's like employing females into mainly cardboards who get refrigerated cuz roles outside that arent being offered more. Systemic exclusion Takeria spoke of yesterday isn't going to be resolved if Hollywood resorts back to Charlie Chan crap. It makes matters worst.

On the other hand, I don't have problems with generic ninjas or fire ball shooting kung fu warriors. I watch a lot of anime making use of those two in simplistic ways to overly complex. I enjoy when things become Mortal Kombaty, which I think is a good area for Asians to enter in the superhero genre.

edited 4th May '16 12:06:46 PM by FictionWriterKing

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#56285: May 4th 2016 at 10:40:35 AM

I think a good analogy for this is an expansion of the chocolate raisin one from the Diversity thread. Say it's jelly beans of many flavors and each flavor is a different kind of character. An Asian child protests that they're only getting red beans over and over again. The correct response is to give them different flavors, not take their red beans away and give them to the child with the most beans already in their bowl.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56289: May 4th 2016 at 11:23:51 AM

Seems good enough then. One Avengers movie to mark the halfway point of Phase 3, and another to mark the true end.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56290: May 4th 2016 at 11:33:11 AM

So if they're two different films then that means two different stories? Er. Thanos isn't the main conflict then?

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#56292: May 4th 2016 at 11:55:50 AM

Most rumours I heard involve the first one being very Thanos centric, to set him up as a credible threat for all the Avengers to face in the second one.

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#56293: May 4th 2016 at 11:58:16 AM

Wait, what was wrong with "Infinity War"?

Are they just not epic enough?

I mean, I was under the impression that no one had a problem with "Infinity War, Part 1 and 2"...

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#56294: May 4th 2016 at 11:58:48 AM

It's the "Parts 1 and 2" that are the problem, not the "Infinity War". The Russos want to make it clear one isn't continuing the other.

edited 4th May '16 11:59:08 AM by Wackd

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#56295: May 4th 2016 at 12:04:24 PM

Yeah. The point is that, unlike other films using the "Part" setup like Mockingjay or Deathly Hallows, the film won't end on a cliffhanger "To Be Continued" and then get picked back up when Part 2 comes out. Part 1 will have a story, it will end on an ending, and then Part 2's story will begin in Part 2. They'll probably be closely related, but they are not two halves of one large movie.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#56296: May 4th 2016 at 12:05:26 PM

I'm imagining the first one will be about preventing him from attacking Earth, and then the second will have the Avengers go on the offensive in space.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#56297: May 4th 2016 at 12:06:40 PM

I think part 1 will end with Thanos killing Vision and having the first stone and part 2 will be about counteratacking him

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#56298: May 4th 2016 at 12:07:47 PM

I would guess the opposite. Part 1 has the Avengers racing Thanos to the Infinity Gems, where Part 2 is about Thanos hitting Earth hard.

Mainly because fighting Thanos for the fate of the Earth has higher dramatic tension than fighting Thanos for the fate of Xandar, Knowhere, and/or Buttf*ck Asteroid.

edited 4th May '16 12:08:22 PM by TobiasDrake

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FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56299: May 4th 2016 at 12:09:25 PM

I envision the opening like this.

Thanos enters Xander. Shit gets blown up. Infinity Stone stolen.

Thanos makes his way to Asguard. Que Thor

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#56300: May 4th 2016 at 12:09:27 PM

Not for Buttfuck Asteroid, but for the most comfortable throne in the universe. So comfortable Thanos didn't get out of it until Age of Ultron.

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