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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#56176: May 1st 2016 at 10:22:29 PM

That's because the films are general pop culture jokes, you get pop culture jokes from them, not old internet memes.

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#56177: May 1st 2016 at 10:30:44 PM

"The film stays very neutral in who is right and wrong, really the film frames it as a tragedy that our protagonists are too damaged to work this issue out. "

No, by the half of it Tony is already show in the wrong and everything just crumble around him, Cap was right and it show clearly.

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#56178: May 1st 2016 at 11:30:21 PM

I'm glad that this doesn't count as a spoiler I guess.

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ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#56179: May 2nd 2016 at 12:04:07 AM

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Not really. He was not in the wrong, he was just very aggresive and hot-headed at the way he approached the whole issue.

In reality, I think both Cap and Tony chose what they felt was best, but both have a conflict of interests; Cap has the whole Bucky thing and Tony is too busy falling in his self-loathing and making amends for what he did (and then caused). They aren't in the wrong, they just can't see thw full picture because of their personal feelings.

For example, Vision and Hawkeye seem to be much more clear and cold in their motivations than Tony and Cap. Vision thinks that it's only fair to be regulated, so people feel safer and they have someone to answer to (also preventing them of going rogue) and Hawkeye sincerely seems to believe that they were doing good, also thinking that now branding them as criminals for not bending over backwards for a potentially corrupt organization is really unfair.

Both sides have really good points, the only problems is that both of their leaders are emotionally compromised.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56180: May 2nd 2016 at 12:34:16 AM

[up]But the story lend toward Cap, the sokovia acord does nothing but screw him around and the more the movie go the more Tony look like a control freak who want to put the world in a bottle so nobody get hurt and murphy law hit him HARD, hell he got faster that Tony to the bad guy and only because Zemo pick him up to the right place.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56181: May 2nd 2016 at 12:38:10 AM

[up] Well, he is Cap. He always does what he does for good reasons. But he is largely responsible for the conflict escalating like it did, too.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#56182: May 2nd 2016 at 12:45:02 AM

[up]How much? he is caught out of guard by crossbone which kick start everything but then everything he do is right(except kept that secret to Tony, that was shitty as hell)

Also, first that Senator in Bv S and now wakanda guy in this movie....jeez, being a resonable authority guy in comic book land really pay bad, dosent it?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#56183: May 2nd 2016 at 12:51:22 AM

[up]let's take it to the spoiler threat.

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#56184: May 2nd 2016 at 10:18:39 AM

We talked a bit previously about the idea that Asgard paid for New York's reconstruction. Musing on it, I wish either Avengers or Thor The Dark World had actually brought this up. It would be fantastic for Thor's character arc.

  • ODIN: There are many things you will need to understand as a king. Diplomacy is an essential skill for any ruler.
  • THOR: Was this a test?
  • ODIN: Not a test. A lesson. There will be times when you are king where one of your own, possibly even your son, has gone behind your back to start a war. When that time comes, you will have to know how to do what is right for both lands. How to make peace without compromising your sovereignty in the process.
  • THOR: I may have been hasty in promising—
  • ODIN: No. Despite the compromising position you were in, you have secured our prisoner and returned him to face justice in our court while turning a potential war into an alliance that will last beyond the memory of the day's unpleasantries. You will make a fine king.

edited 2nd May '16 10:21:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#56185: May 2nd 2016 at 10:47:15 AM

I feel like the whole Asgard-Midgard connection has been underexplored, as well as Thor's character in general. A case of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character that applies to the protagonist, even though Hemsworth's shown he can handle such material just fine.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56186: May 2nd 2016 at 10:51:20 AM

Everyone on Earth is so tetchy because they know so little about Asgard, it would be good for some kind of effort from Thor to fix that.

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#56187: May 2nd 2016 at 10:52:02 AM

Yeah. There's a lot of political stuff that could be fantastic.

  • BLACK PANTHER: I don't recall inviting you to Wakanda. State your business.
  • THOR: Why do you greet me with hostility? Asgard and Midgard share a strong alliance.
  • BLACK PANTHER: Asgard and the United States share an alliance.
  • THOR: I have fought for your world!
  • BLACK PANTHER: Against a foe you brought to New York. The Americans may have been willing to sweep that under the rug, but they don't speak for the rest of the world and we are tired of the assumption that they do.

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#56189: May 2nd 2016 at 11:03:23 AM

We need more of that in the movies.. I mean yes obviously superhero action-y stuf but really we need more ridiculous/awesome stuff that comes from the politics of having world leaders and diplomats as superheroes.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#56190: May 2nd 2016 at 11:14:01 AM

World Building! I love world building. Especially in this weird super franchise we have.

FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#56191: May 2nd 2016 at 11:31:17 AM

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/02/iron-fist-or-the-dude-the-first-photos-of-finn-jones-as-iron-fist-emerge/ hahaha Iron Hobo. It's a official. Danny just rentered Earth realm. hes been in kun lun far too long lol. sadly the budget it would take to show kun lun in all its glory would be...

[up] just wait until marvel studios becomes confidante enough to put in devil dinosaur and moon girl

edited 2nd May '16 11:36:21 AM by FictionWriterKing

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#56192: May 2nd 2016 at 11:53:58 AM

Ooh, our first hobo superhero.

Unless you count Quill. I guess he's kind of a space hobo.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#56193: May 2nd 2016 at 11:55:05 AM

Re the photo, wonder if he'll be crazy like Moon Knight.

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I doubt we'll ever see them. The MCU is prejudiced against... Inhumans.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#56194: May 2nd 2016 at 12:00:56 PM

All this time's passed but no announcement of the casting for Shang-Chi. I really hope that rumor's not false.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#56195: May 2nd 2016 at 12:08:14 PM

World Building! I love world building. Especially in this weird super franchise we have.

You and me both! Kinda wish the Thor movies had more of these.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56196: May 2nd 2016 at 12:50:09 PM

You know, something just occurred to me. We've had three movies with Hawkeye in them (four if you count his appearance in Thor)... and not one "arrow to the knee" joke. Not even from Tony. Hell, as far as I've seen, not even in fanfiction. I'm actually a little disappointed.

That'd require the writers having enough interest in Hawkeye to make a joke involving him.tongue

But seriously, I kinda find regurgitated meme humor in fiction annoying unless it comes from certain characters. I'm amused when someone like Ms. Marvel makes a meme joke because she's the exact sort of person who'd think internet jokes are funny. I can't see Tony Stark doing so.

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#56198: May 2nd 2016 at 1:36:24 PM

[up]I'm so glad it wasn't just me that had that thought when watching the movie.

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#56199: May 2nd 2016 at 1:52:10 PM

Good thing it wasn't Buster...

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#56200: May 2nd 2016 at 3:04:44 PM

Some talk about Civil War.

I found it funny that even the writers said (albeit tactfully) that the comic failed at making the issue fair and balanced and that it was something they worked hard to avoid in the adaptation.


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