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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55951: Apr 25th 2016 at 6:35:48 PM

I would prefer him doing a general Marvel game where he'd just be able to write the characters as he sees fit. Given the themes he explored in Metal Gear he'd probably be a great fit for Captain America.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55952: Apr 25th 2016 at 7:34:06 PM

I'm worried that for every Boss and EVA (I actually thought she was a pretty interesting character), he'll also pull a Quiet or Paz, and for every Milliquid he'll pull another Nanomachines/Parasites. He's surprisingly good at Canon Welding disparate elements but lacks the discipline to make it cohesive from the getgo.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#55953: Apr 25th 2016 at 8:53:26 PM

Excuse me, but what is wrong with nanomachines(, son)?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55954: Apr 25th 2016 at 8:57:00 PM

he used it to explain pretty much all the weird shit from mgs2

it was just kind of silly how much of a catch-all solution it was

Armstrong saying it so bombastically to explain why he was so indestructible was basically an Ascended Meme at that point

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#55955: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:12:06 PM

So, a random question: do we know if T'challa is the king of Wakanda or a prince at the time of Civil War?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#55956: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:23:06 PM

I think I remember reading that he is still the prince, since his father is still alive.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55957: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:25:40 PM

They've definitively said he's a prince and that his father's still alive. Though guessing from the trailers probably not for long.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55958: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:32:28 PM

T'Chaka's death should be saved for the Black Panther solo.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#55959: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:36:28 PM

If he was killed by Klaue or someone like him, maybe, but I don't think that's the case here.

Oh God! Natural light!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55960: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:37:52 PM

Klaue's probably going to be involved, at least. What with all the set up the character gets in Ultron.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55961: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:39:35 PM

I'm guessing he gets blown up in the UN explosion seen in the trailer. Don't know if Klaue is involved in this version. But even if he isn't T'Chaka's killer they've provided a decent hook for why he'd have a grudge against Wakanda.

Michael Douglas is excited about Infinity War.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55962: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:52:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhm8EKqB08

Yikes. It really does feel like the contrast between the receptions of BvS and Civil War is really contributing to the recent toxicity.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55963: Apr 25th 2016 at 9:56:13 PM

I didn't like Bv S that much and will probably like Civil War. It is fair and completely expected to compare the approaches of Warner vs Marvel to a point, but I honestly get tired of pissing matches between multiple camps. I really, really don't care for fanboy partisanship from either side. I feel like either of the films can be appreciated or criticized on their own merits and would like it if that happened more often.

edited 25th Apr '16 9:56:50 PM by wehrmacht

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55964: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:00:54 PM

[up][up]What makes it worse is that Grace Randolph publicly accused him of being corrupt and taking bribes from Marvel, when he's one of the few people who actually praised BVS.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#55965: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:01:22 PM

Klaue's probably going to be involved, at least. What with all the set up the character gets in Ultron.

IMO, I really hope he's not the primary villain. All I remember from that chump was the stupid cuttlefish joke and Ultron ripping off his arm followed by more jokes.

He is not Big Bad Material.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55966: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:07:27 PM

[up][up][up]Part of it is, MCU fandom has been really obnoxious the past few years towards fans of all rival comic book movie franchises. Like, ridiculously so, what with all the "On your left DC!" memes and stuff like that.

A bunch of people desperately wanted BVS to be critically acclaimed so they could (understandably) finally have some ammo to load up their guns and fire back at annoying-ass Marvel fans. And when that (to put it mildly) didn't happen, some of those fans kinda went to ridiculous lengths to rationalize what happened.

The entire "war" between the fandoms has gotten out of hand.

edited 25th Apr '16 10:07:51 PM by comicwriter

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55967: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:12:02 PM

What I will say is that I don't think it is healthy for MCU to have as little competition as they do. Sure, Fox is giving them some, what with Deadpool being the runaway success it was (and on a shoestring budget from what I understand), but it would be nice if Warner was putting pressure on them too. Given that I think, on the whole, the MCU has only made like 4 films I'd consider good-to-great, the last thing I want is for Marvel to think they can be complacent about the movies they make.

edited 25th Apr '16 10:25:45 PM by wehrmacht

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55968: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:16:05 PM

I wanted BvS to do well because I was a big DC fan in my adolescence, not to mention like Campea says, it's good for the health of the superhero genre as a whole. It maintains the public's general interest in superheroes, it creates a launching pad for new fans of the characters I already love, it encourages the genre to diversify, and it pushes Marvel to try harder to keep up. As amusing as Marvel's current dominance is, that lack of competition isn't healthy for its long term prospects.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55969: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:24:57 PM

I'm more or less the same way. During my adolescence I really didn't care much about Marvel's characters. I've since grown an appreciation for some of them, but I don't necessarily prefer one over the other at this point, I have a lot of criticisms I can make about both companies and their adaptations. At the end of the day, I just want good movies and it doesn't matter who is making them, I think being a partisan for whatever company is dumb.

Good thing is, DCEU still has a few cards to play. Suicide Squad has a different director and looks promising, and Wonder Woman could still be good as well.

Let's hope for the sake of the overall superhero genre (i'd argue "superhero" even being a genre in the first place isn't for the best but whatever) that we get more and better movies from other companies as well. I want more Winter Soldiers, more films I can genuinely say I was impressed by and overall are great without that many noticeable or glaring flaws.

edited 25th Apr '16 10:27:07 PM by wehrmacht

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55970: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:32:38 PM

I haven't finished The John Campea Podcast yet, but it doesn't take a genius to understand that no one likes being about extreme fanboys. I care less than little for Warner and Sony's attempts at trying to rival the MCU, but you don't see me going around like a lunatic about it.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55971: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:37:48 PM

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edited 25th Apr '16 10:38:07 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55972: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:44:34 PM

As someone who really isn't into comics that much but likes a good comic book based show or movie, I am very annoyed by this mind-set that I am somehow supposed to "support" DC. Yes, I usually expect Marvel to do good (with limitations, I still predict that Doctor Strange will have better visuals than writing), but it is not like I saw Iron Man and went "yeah, the MCU is the greatest thing ever!!!". Marvel has my trust since they dished out The Winter Soldier and Got G in the same year, showing how truly great Comic book movies can be, and since they managed to release by now 13 critically acclaimed movies in a row, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Warner has...the Dark Knight trilogy. That's it, and since I am not a big fan of Nolan's work, I happen to like those movies less than most others do (not that I think they are bad, I am just not all over them, I mostly like Heath Ledger as the Joker). Now, if it comes to animated series, it is the other way around, DC has released a number of good animated shows while Marvel only has a handful I really like.

What it boils down to is that Warner has to proof to me that they can handle the DCEU. All those people who didn't jump on the bandwagon last year and said "Dawn of Justice worries us, Warner seems to cram too much into it and the trailer don't really convince us" weren't hater, they were people who wanted the movie to be good but felt that something was off.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55973: Apr 25th 2016 at 10:47:31 PM

I think people not being impressed by Warner's offerings is completely legitimate and people aren't under the obligation to support them just because, but what I find more annoying personally and something I see more often is people putting Marvel on an undeservedly high pedestal given that most of their movies have been just ok to mediocre in my eyes. You might say it's an accomplishment that they haven't made an outright bad or utterly unejoyable movie yet and that is something of a point, but by that same token if the best thing I can say about a lot of their movies is "it didn't suck" that's not very high praise.

if Marvel can keep making more winter-soldier or at least guardians of the galaxy quality films consistently throughout phase 3 and 4 they might be more deserving of adoration, but I feel that for a really long time they were just coasting on the fact that iron man 1 was a solid movie with most of their films for a long time afterwards being unimpressive but compensating with humor and action.

edited 25th Apr '16 10:56:22 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55975: Apr 25th 2016 at 11:01:52 PM

[up][up] See, the thing with the so called mediocre movies Marvel made is that they manage to please a certain group of people. I think that The Incredible Hulk is mostly incredible boring, but I think that about all monster movies, and fans of monster movies tend to like the movie and rate it fairly high. A lot of people don't like The First Avenger all that much, but it is one of my favourite Marvel movies, partly because I really like this kind of movie and partly because it made me love a character I never thought I would. It is a little bit like Pixar's run up to Toy Story 3, not all the movies they released during that period was something I really lover no matter what, but there were no outright bad ones.

In any case, I think that those people who might rate Marvel higher because they are ready to overlook flaws are balanced out by those who will rate Marvel harsher, because they expect more when they read Marvel.

edited 25th Apr '16 11:02:53 PM by Swanpride


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