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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#55851: Apr 22nd 2016 at 6:04:46 PM

I have no knowledge or particular interest in Captain Marvel but if Jessica Chastain was playing her I'd definitely consider seeing that movie on that merit alone.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55852: Apr 22nd 2016 at 6:09:00 PM

Jessica Chastain's mention is curious, considering she mentioned last year she was in talks with Marvel for a part but not for Carol Danvers.

There's always a chance talks on that one fell through and she met with them again for a different part.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#55853: Apr 22nd 2016 at 6:19:59 PM

I think at this point they probably either have one or a very short list of actresses they want to cast as Captain Marvel, but are holding off on committing until they get a director signed on in order to get their input. Black Panther only got cast so early because he played a significant role in Civil War.

As for the Inhumans movie, I think the delay is just because they want to retool it into a proper Phase 4 film. Releasing Ant-Man after Ao U was one thing, but Infinity War is likely going to have such a huge impact on the MCU that it's silly to not consider it the official end of Phase 3. Inhumans will probably end up being one of the first few films in Phase 4, depending on where exactly it needs to go to best serve Phase 4.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55854: Apr 22nd 2016 at 6:25:22 PM

Moonstone perhaps? Or Phyla-Vell/Moondragon?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55855: Apr 22nd 2016 at 7:43:34 PM

Moonstone would make a good villain.

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#55856: Apr 22nd 2016 at 10:43:54 PM

I highly doubt Ao S has anything to do with Inhumans being pushed back; I mean, yeah the films will have to eventually mention normal people being turned into superhumans but the characters are so far removed from the royal family and Ao S will been long canceled/end it's course before the movie comes out.

I think what's happening is them going back to the drawing board with the Inhumans...the savvier comic fans already picked up that they're being prepped as mutant-stand-ins while Ao S pretty much recycles X-Men plot points. The Inhuman comics sell okay but they aren't woven into the MU like the Avengers, X-Men, and the other heroes are. They need to make some changes with the franchise; I mean even X-Men was selling like crap until they ditched three of the main members in 1975 and made new ones.

And of course, the eternal optimist in me says they're speaking with Fox about sharing properties. Yeah Deadpool made over $800 mil, but Fox took a huge bath with the F4 and X-Men is losing a lot of star power after Apocalypse so...

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55857: Apr 23rd 2016 at 12:12:54 AM

To be frank, Marvel would be stupid to agree to share the Fantastic 4 with Fox. There is no reason to help them to keep the rights. If there is a deal between those two, it will involved the rights reverting back to Marvel fully.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55858: Apr 23rd 2016 at 6:18:45 AM

[up][up]You're sort of skewing things there. There is no need for Fox to cut a deal with Marvel after the massive success of Deadpool. Heck even if somehow Apocalypse bombs (which I doubt it will), they'll still probably continue making Deadpool movies.

Saying "They had one of the biggest unexpected hits of the year, but..." is like "Well I won the lottery but I still lost my favorite pair of pants yesterday."

edited 23rd Apr '16 6:23:14 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#55861: Apr 23rd 2016 at 8:17:34 AM

[up][up]like I said, I'm the eternal optimist. And I think you're not considering just how bad a flop the F4 reboot was for Fox, not just critically but commercially to the point where it's completely useless to them.

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#55862: Apr 23rd 2016 at 8:19:03 AM

In which case the best course of action would be simply to do nothing and wait until Fox's rights expire. With Spider-Man he's too big to wait, so Marvel was willing to meet them halfway.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55863: Apr 23rd 2016 at 8:37:20 AM

[up][up]The FF perhaps, but you sounded like you were talking about more than that. You discounted Deadpool's massive success and said the X-Men will be losing their starpower once Jennifer Lawrence and the others leave, implying that Fox is in a position where they are desparate and need to share the X-Men.

[up]Also, the circumstances are different. Sony was willing to deal because they'd bet literally everything on the success of Amazing Spider-Man 2, and were left running scared after it got trashed by critics and underperformed. They'd wanted it to be the start of a whole shared universe and were suddenly in a position where their grand plans were no longer viable.

edited 23rd Apr '16 8:39:00 AM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55864: Apr 23rd 2016 at 9:10:05 AM

[up][up]

May not be possible if Fox keeps making increasingly obvious Ashcan Copies just to hold onto the rights.

edited 23rd Apr '16 9:10:23 AM by AlleyOop

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#55865: Apr 23rd 2016 at 9:10:57 AM

Yeah, but I doubt they'd be stupid enough to do that again. It'll give them a lot of bad press if they do, and I doubt they'd make much money off of it anyways.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55866: Apr 23rd 2016 at 10:52:27 AM

[up][up] Sure they could, but even cheap movies cost money and at this point, they wouldn't get the fans in the theatres even if they made a good F4 movie for a change. Sinking their money into another attempt is the worst move they could make. Making a deal now would be the best.

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#55867: Apr 23rd 2016 at 11:10:19 AM

When Sony announced they were making Amazing Spider Man just so they could keep the rights, that franchise was fighting an uphill battle to begin with because it hadn't been that long since the last trilogy and people wanted Spider-Man to be in the MCU. Fox was facing that same battle with F4ntastic and just like Sony, they ended up dropping the ball albeit for different reasons. While ASM 2 is generally considered a mess, some people are willing to defend the movie as a whole or at least parts of it. F4ntastic on the other hand has received a much more negative reception which leaves Fox in an even more unfavorable position. There's just not going to be much excitement or buzz for any attempts at them making more FF movies, so their best bet is to cut some kind of deal and save some face.

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#55868: Apr 23rd 2016 at 11:32:38 AM

How long would we have to wait until Fantastic Four's rights go back to Marvel, assuming Fox doesn't make another one?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55869: Apr 23rd 2016 at 11:56:14 AM

[up] Judging by the timespan between Silver Surfer and Fant4stic, either 2022 or 2023. They need to start production on the movie in 2022 and have to release it in 2023. For Marvel it would be easier to get the rights back now, so that they can plan phase 4 properly, so Fox can still make a deal. But considering how packed their schedule already is, there is no rush. But who knows, maybe that's the reason they pulled the release date for the Inhumans for now.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55870: Apr 23rd 2016 at 12:14:09 PM

Indiana Jones 5 was set to come out close to Inhumans which was probably part of the reason for the push.

And of course while I think it's bullshit, some sites reported last year that Feige never had any interest in an Inhumans movie, and that Marvel was only making it because Perlmutter pushed it through as a pet project so Feige cold make Black Panther and Captain Marvel.

edited 23rd Apr '16 12:46:30 PM by comicwriter

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#55871: Apr 23rd 2016 at 12:54:15 PM

Fox can't make a deal for Fantastic Four. Constantin Film has to.

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#55872: Apr 23rd 2016 at 1:31:04 PM

And I'm not discounting Deadpool's success; I was stating that they'll end up rebooting X-Men eventually and they're losing star power after Apocalypse. Of course maybe this doesn't matter because there's New Mutants on the way and X-Force is a lock at this point.

I do think things are getting friendly between both sides as Marvel Comics seems to be promoting the X-side. And Marvel Studios has had nice things to say about Deadpool and the directors have said that they want crossovers.

edited 23rd Apr '16 1:38:27 PM by MegaJ

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55873: Apr 23rd 2016 at 1:55:01 PM

Between Deadpool, the supposed Gambit solo film, and so on, I'm hoping Fox will finally allow individual X-Men to get some fresh air from under the canopy of Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto. The way they've been used for the most part is like walking weapons who mostly show up to do some flashy things with their powers and maybe throw in a snappy line or two, but aside from that their presence makes little difference to the plot.

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