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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55452: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:15:03 PM

Oh, well, we'll have around ten years before we have to cross the bridge...or not. For now, he is a kid.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55453: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:17:29 PM

There are few things more satisfying than watching a well-written character you like grow; that's something I don't think the higher-ups at Marvel understood or cared about. The really bad part about OMD is that it could have worked as a decent story, even if the reasons behind it were stupid, but they just completely botched it in every way imaginable.

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Also I'm a bit late to this but I'm ok with Shocker. He hasn't been in a movie yet and is usually an entertaining villain.

edited 16th Apr '16 2:18:42 PM by wehrmacht

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#55454: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:25:00 PM

I don't get it, what was the joke in the photo?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#55455: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:26:10 PM

It was just a riff of a scene from the movie.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55456: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:26:32 PM

That's a conversation from Batman vs Superman, modified to be Marvel vs DC. I recognize parts of it from the trailer.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#55457: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:36:48 PM

I just saw an add for Civil War on TV. And I was disappointed with it. It started out showing the origins of Cap and Iron Man, followed up with the lumberjack scene from Ao U ("I don't really trust somebody that doesn't have a dark side" *rips log in half* "you just haven't seen it yet"), then a couple scenes from Winter Soldier, and then. Then they show a shot of Bucky in Civil War (not sure this counts as a spoiler, but it's the shot of him in full Winter Soldier gear standing under big lights of some kind, looking like he's being thawed out of cryo-storage and then we get into more footage from already existing CW teasers. It seems to be pushing the plot that all these movies have been leading up to Steve and Tony finally coming to blows, and disagreeing over what to do about Bucky was the catalyst. Absolutely no mention of Accords, or accountability vs. freedom, or any of that. Just two guys that never liked each other or saw eye to eye on anything finally having the fistfight they should've had in their first outing, and all their friends taking sides.

I hope they release more, better adds, because that one is misleading enough that I can see people going to the movie and feeling like they'd been the victims of a bait-and-switch.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#55458: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:37:52 PM

Here's the convo it's riffing on:

Convo is at the beginning of the trailer

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55459: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:46:45 PM

It is also the only scene in the whole movie in which those three characters interact with each others....We have already seen more interaction between the feuding parties in the Civil War trailers and sneak peaks than Bv S has in the whole movie.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55460: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:51:07 PM

I'm wondering if the Spider-Man movies will also kill all their villains aside from Norman.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55461: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:53:06 PM

I have a feeling they'll want to try making a movie with the Sinister Six so they have to leave some of the villains alive.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55463: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:55:15 PM

I hope not.

If any superhero movie franchise should establish a lasting Rogues Gallery, it should be Spider-Man. Well, The Flash too, but for similar reasons. The interaction and presence of his villains is a big part of the mythos' charm - making a New York Spidey's domain, full of quirky, strange supervillains and weird mad science.

edited 16th Apr '16 2:56:04 PM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55464: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:57:37 PM

The ASM movies seemed to be heading to a SS movie(and really sucked at teasing it along with all their other problems) with Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Rhino, Vulture, Mysterio and Kraven which is a pretty okay team and half of it has never been seen on film so I would be okay with one Spidey movie featuring it.

edited 16th Apr '16 3:32:59 PM by LordofLore

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55465: Apr 16th 2016 at 3:10:30 PM

ASM 2's main problem, from what I gathered of multiple people who have seen it and watching clips from reviews, is that it seemed more concerned with introducing a bunch of elements for sequels and stuff than being its own movie with a solid and focused story.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#55466: Apr 16th 2016 at 3:27:57 PM

Its like three mini-movies duct-taped together through inanity.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55467: Apr 16th 2016 at 3:58:01 PM

Sinister 6 could have been a nice concept. The problem is they decided to anchor it with a truly loathsome and utterly unlikable version of Green Goblin.

If you're going to do a movie about villains they still need to have some sort of sympathetic qualities to them. I could see a Loki movie because Tom Hiddleston is charming as hell and sells you on the tragedy of the character. Nu!Harry Osborn was just a whiny little twerp with a generic "Daddy didn't love me!" Freudian Excuse.

edited 16th Apr '16 4:08:31 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#55469: Apr 16th 2016 at 4:03:22 PM

Probably also should have moved the rhino thing to the start. Instead of get away truck, its a getaway rhino mech.

And just have Peter lampshade how this should be weird but after lizardgeddon it doesn't make him bat an eye.

Having him learn that the suit was originally built by Oz Corp (stolen, swearsies) gives him a good reason to hesitate to give Harry his spider blood and ties into the evil conspiracy Harry finds himself in.

But you'd need a lot more structural changes to salvage the script.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55470: Apr 16th 2016 at 4:09:49 PM

I can only think of one movie in which a team up of a number of highly prolific villains worked, and that's the 1966 Batman movie. It worked mostly, because there was a whole TV show which introduced the villains beforehand. If Sony wants a Sinister Six movie, they have to take their time and built up the characters in question first.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#55471: Apr 16th 2016 at 4:43:20 PM

ASM 2 had the same problem as BVS too many plots which don't add to each other. Sure everything on screen is good, but it doesn't form a cohesive whole.

Peter an Gwen's Romance, great.

Peter investigating his farther, great.

Peter struggling to help those who look up to him; harry and Electro, great.

Harry investigating this bullshit scenario his farther has dropped him into, great.

But none of those four plotlines aid each other, they just, distract and compete.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#55472: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:27:48 PM

Honestly they should have cut Peter's father's plot.

It was deleted from the first movie and doesn't add anything that wasn't already implied in said first movie.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55473: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:45:52 PM

Does anyone give a shit about the Parker parents anyway?

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55474: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:51:42 PM

Well, it could be an intriguing plotline like anything else, but you would have to give it proper attention, development, and payoff.

Something that ASM 2 dropped the ball on according to nearly everyone i've spoken to about it.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55475: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:54:56 PM

My brother actually woke me up once in the middle of the night to complain about how crappy TASM 2 was. And he loved the first one.


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