Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
There are few things more satisfying than watching a well-written character you like grow; that's something I don't think the higher-ups at Marvel understood or cared about. The really bad part about OMD is that it could have worked as a decent story, even if the reasons behind it were stupid, but they just completely botched it in every way imaginable.
![]()
lol
Also I'm a bit late to this but I'm ok with Shocker. He hasn't been in a movie yet and is usually an entertaining villain.
edited 16th Apr '16 2:18:42 PM by wehrmacht
I just saw an add for Civil War on TV. And I was disappointed with it. It started out showing the origins of Cap and Iron Man, followed up with the lumberjack scene from Ao U ("I don't really trust somebody that doesn't have a dark side" *rips log in half* "you just haven't seen it yet"), then a couple scenes from Winter Soldier, and then. Then they show a shot of Bucky in Civil War (not sure this counts as a spoiler, but it's the shot of him in full Winter Soldier gear standing under big lights of some kind, looking like he's being thawed out of cryo-storage and then we get into more footage from already existing CW teasers. It seems to be pushing the plot that all these movies have been leading up to Steve and Tony finally coming to blows, and disagreeing over what to do about Bucky was the catalyst. Absolutely no mention of Accords, or accountability vs. freedom, or any of that. Just two guys that never liked each other or saw eye to eye on anything finally having the fistfight they should've had in their first outing, and all their friends taking sides.
I hope they release more, better adds, because that one is misleading enough that I can see people going to the movie and feeling like they'd been the victims of a bait-and-switch.
It is also the only scene in the whole movie in which those three characters interact with each others....We have already seen more interaction between the feuding parties in the Civil War trailers and sneak peaks than Bv S has in the whole movie.
I hope not.
If any superhero movie franchise should establish a lasting Rogues Gallery, it should be Spider-Man. Well, The Flash too, but for similar reasons. The interaction and presence of his villains is a big part of the mythos' charm - making a New York Spidey's domain, full of quirky, strange supervillains and weird mad science.
edited 16th Apr '16 2:56:04 PM by KnownUnknown
The ASM movies seemed to be heading to a SS movie(and really sucked at teasing it along with all their other problems) with Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Rhino, Vulture, Mysterio and Kraven which is a pretty okay team and half of it has never been seen on film so I would be okay with one Spidey movie featuring it.
edited 16th Apr '16 3:32:59 PM by LordofLore
ASM 2's main problem, from what I gathered of multiple people who have seen it and watching clips from reviews, is that it seemed more concerned with introducing a bunch of elements for sequels and stuff than being its own movie with a solid and focused story.
Sinister 6 could have been a nice concept. The problem is they decided to anchor it with a truly loathsome and utterly unlikable version of Green Goblin.
If you're going to do a movie about villains they still need to have some sort of sympathetic qualities to them. I could see a Loki movie because Tom Hiddleston is charming as hell and sells you on the tragedy of the character. Nu!Harry Osborn was just a whiny little twerp with a generic "Daddy didn't love me!" Freudian Excuse.
edited 16th Apr '16 4:08:31 PM by comicwriter
Some fan made posters which look really great:
https://apocaflixmovies.com/2016/04/16/civil-war-fan-made-posters/
Probably also should have moved the rhino thing to the start. Instead of get away truck, its a getaway rhino mech.
And just have Peter lampshade how this should be weird but after lizardgeddon it doesn't make him bat an eye.
Having him learn that the suit was originally built by Oz Corp (stolen, swearsies) gives him a good reason to hesitate to give Harry his spider blood and ties into the evil conspiracy Harry finds himself in.
But you'd need a lot more structural changes to salvage the script.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI can only think of one movie in which a team up of a number of highly prolific villains worked, and that's the 1966 Batman movie. It worked mostly, because there was a whole TV show which introduced the villains beforehand. If Sony wants a Sinister Six movie, they have to take their time and built up the characters in question first.
ASM 2 had the same problem as BVS too many plots which don't add to each other. Sure everything on screen is good, but it doesn't form a cohesive whole.
Peter an Gwen's Romance, great.
Peter investigating his farther, great.
Peter struggling to help those who look up to him; harry and Electro, great.
Harry investigating this bullshit scenario his farther has dropped him into, great.
But none of those four plotlines aid each other, they just, distract and compete.
Honestly they should have cut Peter's father's plot.
It was deleted from the first movie and doesn't add anything that wasn't already implied in said first movie.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWell, it could be an intriguing plotline like anything else, but you would have to give it proper attention, development, and payoff.
Something that ASM 2 dropped the ball on according to nearly everyone i've spoken to about it.

This is amazing.
◊