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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#55426: Apr 16th 2016 at 9:21:28 AM

I just read it. The answer is no. It talks a lot about the alliances of the characters in the comics so if you want to learn how it compares it's interesting.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55427: Apr 16th 2016 at 9:43:13 AM

On having Sharon as Cap's partner in TWS instead of Natasha

It might've not been an improvement. For one thing, Widow's arc culminates with her leaking SHIELD's database, with her dark past in it, which wouldn't have the same impact from Sharon.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55428: Apr 16th 2016 at 9:46:02 AM

I'm not saying Widow wouldn't be in the movie. My suggestion was more that after the boat raid Sharon is Cap's traveling companion while Widow is the one objecting to Shield's actions on the inside.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55429: Apr 16th 2016 at 9:50:22 AM

It should be possible to make two female characters relevant.

[up][up][up] Thanks, was an interesting read.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55430: Apr 16th 2016 at 10:02:50 AM

It would be a very different dynamic then. When Sharon and Steve partner up after he goes on the run, their journey up 'til Zola involves them working out their dislike and distrust for each other. They still have hostile feelings about each other due to Sharon working behind Steve's back on Nick Fury's orders (and nearly getting them killed by Batroc). By contrast, Sharon and Steve would presumably be more amicable with each other; she has way more respect and awe for "Captain America" than Black Widow, who views him as a colleague.

Additionally, on the journey back to SHIELD, TWS relies on our familiarity with Widow's "red ledger" in some key moments, such as "all I did was trade the KGB for HYDRA" or "it's not my method, it's her's". And the constantly trying to set up Steve with dates. Those would be other good moments that would be lost.

edited 16th Apr '16 10:03:35 AM by Tuckerscreator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55431: Apr 16th 2016 at 10:08:51 AM

It's also worth noting that presumably part of the reason they gave Black Widow such a huge part was because they weren't doing a solo movie but there was still a bunch of interest in her after The Avengers.

When the movie was coming out the people behind the scenes kept arguing TWS was the next best thing to actually having a female superhero film.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55432: Apr 16th 2016 at 10:32:03 AM

But aren't the popular stories about grown-up Peter from the run in which he never revealed his identity and had May Parker became Spider-girl? At least those are the only ones I ever hear about...

Spider-Girl's What If universe slowly and insidiously got the boot over the course of a few years after One More Day. I think she might have appeared recently, but that was in Spider-Verse so knowing that story she's probably dead.

edited 16th Apr '16 10:32:42 AM by KnownUnknown

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55433: Apr 16th 2016 at 10:44:02 AM

If I recall correctly, in Spider-Verse, she doesn't die but her world's Peter Parker - her dad - does. Later she renames herself Spider-Woman.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#55434: Apr 16th 2016 at 10:47:22 AM

She's a current member of the spider corps isn't she?

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#55435: Apr 16th 2016 at 10:52:20 AM

[up][up][up]I am reminded that it was considered better to break up a romance via Deal with the Devil that just divorce.

edited 16th Apr '16 10:52:28 AM by ultimatepheer

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55436: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:11:01 AM

Because in the eyes of the editors and executives a divorce would age him too much.

People were happy when we got a few issues of married Peter and MJ with a daughter during Secret Wars but the only thing from it that got to stay in the move to the main universe was the new villain.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#55437: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:18:46 AM

Marriages in marvel are having a hard time unless you're grandfather claused like Reed and Sue. That's... all I can think of off hand?

Even Black Bolt and Medusa seem to be on the outs.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55438: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:23:43 AM

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones seem to be one of the few happily married couples.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#55439: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:24:57 AM

Oh yeah!

Although recently Jessica has been written 'don't you dare go out and fight crime with your no good iron fist friend' hasn't she?

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55440: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:25:41 AM

People used to joke about how all marriages in comics are doomed to fail aside from Lois & Clark, Arthur & Mera, Scott & Barda, Sue & Reed, Jessica & Luke and Medusa & Black Bolt. Let's just say that much like the "Everyone comes back to life in comics aside from Ben, Bucky and Jason" joke things have changed over the years.

edited 16th Apr '16 11:26:09 AM by LordofLore

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#55441: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:28:02 AM

On the topic, I think getting a divorce would have actually improved Peter's everyman status.

Half of marriages etc

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55442: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:31:26 AM

Yeah, it was brought up that a Peter who's divorced and has a daughter who stays with him every other week would've made him way more like the everyman.

Sadly they wanted him to be single, hip and hiding his identity from May all the time so he could be like they remembered him from their childhood.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#55443: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:33:07 AM

[up]It's not even the ending of the relationships but HOW they're ended. Much has been said of OMD, but there's the infamous story of Scott Summers abandoning Maddie with their child and then Maddie being retconned into an evil clone of Jean Grey.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/11/18/top-five-worst-things-cyclops-has-ever-done/3/

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#55444: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:46:23 AM

[up][up] That would basically make him Scott Lang, huh?

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#55445: Apr 16th 2016 at 11:58:26 AM

The management being so against "aging" Peter strikes me as childish and basically wanting the character to be in limbo forever preserved how they remembered him being, instead of growing up with his audience.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55446: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:03:19 PM

Serial formats have so internalized Status Quo Is God (and in other respects, the Seven-Year Rule) that things like that will always be opposed by management - though in Spider-Man's case it's also an issue of him not being the way he was when the higher ups were kids.

It's a constant problem in comics that characters can't permanently fall in love, get married, or especially have kids without them getting killed off for drama, and that's just the interpersonal stuff. It's rare for a character to change their role or advance their lives in meaningful ways and have it stick for a long time.

edited 16th Apr '16 12:03:49 PM by KnownUnknown

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#55447: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:36:56 PM

"WE'RE NOT OLD! WE'RE NOT OLD!"

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#55448: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:05:02 PM

Linkara did an entire rant on this when he reviewed One More Day.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55449: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:08:16 PM

I couldn't find it again, but there was this great post on Linkara's tumblr where he posted examples of Spider-Man acting as a mentor to younger heroes and sharing stories about his mistakes, with the caption: "It's almost as if Spidey becomes compelling by growing older and experienced..."

edited 16th Apr '16 2:08:34 PM by Tuckerscreator

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55450: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:12:40 PM

I remember the epic meltdown he had over Lian Harper's death, and I totally agree with his anger there as well. Relationships and family ties are almost always tossed aside for some reason or another.

edited 16th Apr '16 2:17:12 PM by KnownUnknown


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