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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Cross (Don’t ask)
#55401: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:05:30 PM

True, but going with a Composite Character is always an option and give the link if ever want to use him in the future.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:06:18 PM by Cross

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55402: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:13:51 PM

Poor Sharon. Although it says something when even professional critics who tend to be more indifferent about such things are also coming down on the movie for shoehorning Steve into a cliche romance with Sharon over characters like Sam or Bucky who he has more natural chemistry with, or just no one at all (and possibly waiting to pair him with Sharon in a future movie, after she's already been given a chance to develop as her own independent character). At least the scene is supposedly brief so it's not too intrusive even if it ends up being particularly random.

The writers confirmed their original idea for Cap 3 and that it was basically the studio that said they wanted Civil War instead. What I'm guessing is Sharon had a much bigger role in their original idea and then they had to cut her part down once they had to deal with like 8 other superheroes.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:14:17 PM by comicwriter

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55403: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:34:56 PM

Both the Russo's and Emily Van Camp has said back when TWS came out that the film was merely an "introduction" to Sharon and that her role would expand moving forward. So it seems that Marvel wanting to turn this into Avengers 3 in every way but name torpedoed those plans.

Which is part of the reason why I was always against making CW a Cap movie. It fits so much better as an Avengers of "Marvel Presents" kind of film. Cap's supporting cast gest lost in the Avengers shuffle.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#55404: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:41:02 PM

The Prowler I know is a groovy cat who washes windows and has invented a bunch of crazy cool inventions, then he robs a jewelry store with them to hype himself up as a great inventor and a hero when he retrieves his own stolen jewels. Prowler faces off against Spidey, using his gas pellets, pressurized air blasts, and claws, he manages to keep the ol' webhead at a distance and accidentally knocks him off the roof. He feels terrible, thinking he killed Spider-Man (he didn't) and I think Spidey comes back later for round two with an air filter built into his mask. Prowler decides to be a good guy and Spidey returns the jewels. Next time he appeared, and the last I know of him, he was covering for Spider-Man as Spider-Man after Peter accidentally told all of his friends who he was in a flu-induced haze.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:58:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55405: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:42:34 PM

I know that Marvel usually goes for three movies per character, but I hope they make an exception with Cap and do more Cap movies (provided that they can get Chris Evans to sign another contract) in the future.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55406: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:53:33 PM

If they do do that, then I want Cap 4 to be really Cap-centric. Just him and his supporting cast (well ok throw Nick Fury in there if you can find a logical place for him, he's that kind of character). And if they're really going for Steve/Sharon, BUILD ON IT!! Because as of this moment, it has even less build up than Bruce/Natasha did in AOU or Thor/Jane did in Thor.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55407: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:02:17 PM

Well there were those moments where he tried to flirt with her in The Winter Soldier and they might've had something, but then it turned out she was an agent sent to protect him and their next meeting was decidedly frostier. Widow does tell him to go after her at the end so he might be following her advice this movie, but as far as natural attraction goes, it's baffling.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55408: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:04:57 PM

To be honest, I am so invested in Steve an Peggy, I would have trouble to see him with anyone else.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55409: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:23:56 PM

I think sooner or later there is a need for Mary Jane Watson, since Peter Parker and her are THE big romance of Marvel.

Well... that depends.

While the film department of Marvel are headed up by different people, adaptations of comics that are closer to the likes and dislikes of the comics companies themselves - at least in terms of what characters they're for or against using and such. It wasn't so much for Pepper and Tony, since even though they hadn't ended up together she's still a prominent character and Marvel doesn't seem to dislike that relationship, but Marvel's been very clear about not liking the Mary Jane / Peter Parker relationship for a while now.

I wouldn't be surprised if his love interest was Betty Brant or Liz Allan or something. Or in grand Spider-Man fashion, have each film have a totally different love interest Bond-style.

edited 15th Apr '16 11:25:27 PM by KnownUnknown

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55410: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:36:23 PM

I'd prefer neither MJ or Gwen to start with. Been there, done that. I want to see Felicia Hardy finally done justice onscreen (the fact that we never got Felicity Jones as Black Cat saddens me). But perhaps Liz Allen could work as well.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55411: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:18:32 AM

[up][up] What Marvel likes or doesn't like is one thing. What the audience expects something else. Plus, Peter Parker will age this time around. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most stories dealing with an adult Peter Parker who has settled in a job aso about him being with Mary Jane?

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#55412: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:18:51 AM

I know that Marvel usually goes for three movies per character, but I hope they make an exception with Cap and do more Cap movies (provided that they can get Chris Evans to sign another contract) in the future.

He's already gone on record saying he would be up for doing more after the IW movies.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55413: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:29:16 AM

[up] I know, but it is also a matter of money. Though if they go for the Secret Invasion storyline, we kind of need Cap in it, imho.

Can you imagine a Cap 4 which ends with the reveal that the character we spend the whole movie with has been replaced by an alien?

edited 16th Apr '16 12:30:07 AM by Swanpride

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55414: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:51:41 AM

@Sharon not getting much to do: Here's a controversial idea. What if they used Sharon in place of Black Widow during Winter Soldier? It's a bit too late now but part of me wonders if that could have made her a more developed character.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55415: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:08:09 AM

I actually thought that pairing up Cap and Black Widow for that film was a genius idea. But I also said at the time that Widow then didn't need to be a major part of Cap 3 because it was Falcon and Sharon's time to shine (and TWS kind of sets that up in that last shot).

And it seems like perhaps that might have been the original idea (The Russo's and EVC's statements about Sharon's role seem to back it up as well). But then Marvel decided that they wanted to do CW here instead, and those plans got scrapped in favor of doing Avengers 3 by another name.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55416: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:25:35 AM

Which is part of the reason why I was always against making CW a Cap movie. It fits so much better as an Avengers of "Marvel Presents" kind of film. Cap's supporting cast gest lost in the Avengers shuffle.

I can see that, but then again CW has a lot of characters I simply care about a lot more, so it was an acceptable trade off to me. But hopefully they can salvage the romance more later.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55417: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:42:51 AM

I can see that, but then again CW has a lot of characters I simply care about a lot more, so it was an acceptable trade off to me. But hopefully they can salvage the romance more later.

Heh, that's exactly how I feel, especially since comics Sharon isn't always the greatest character (like that weird baby subplot with Sin). Although the fact that they already jumped the gun on the romance plotline so early makes that significantly harder.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55418: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:45:20 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most stories dealing with an adult Peter Parker who has settled in a job aso about him being with Mary Jane?

Comics-wise, Peter Parker has not been married to Mary Jane for over a decade. There was a really dumb story about it, which was basically "Single spidey is how I grew up reading him, so he should stay that way and FUCK what the readers think!!!". That's what Known Unknown was talking about when he said the comic book management doesn't care for that relationship.

I'm not sure how much that affects the movie division though, since different people and all that.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55419: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:48:00 AM

[up][up]Also, just regarding the "It should have been an Avengers movie, not a Cap one" thing, most of the reviews seem to be saying a major part of the reason this plot works way more than the comic's is because Bucky actually gives them all a much more understandable reason to fight.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55420: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:51:39 AM

We'll see. You know every once in awhile I have this weird thing of "this is a good movie, for what it's doing it works well, and everything about it is executed well, but I just cannot really bring myself to care or be invested in it regardless. Because I just don't like or really care to see this premise in-general."

I'm starting to wonder if that'll be the case here as well? Because even the overwhelmingly positive early buzz, still isn't making me excited for this. I was far more excited by the Doctor Strange teaser. But we'll see soon enough, because I'm still going to see it of course.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55421: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:51:47 AM

[up][up] But aren't the popular stories about grown-up Peter from the run in which he never revealed his identity and had May Parker became Spider-girl? At least those are the only ones I ever hear about....

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55422: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:56:23 AM

In contrast I rarely hear about those.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55423: Apr 16th 2016 at 8:14:27 AM

The stories in which he never revealed his identity and then had a kid are from a completely different series that was basically an AU.


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