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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55376: Apr 15th 2016 at 4:37:13 PM

The Wrap also tweeted this:

I'm ALSO told there will be a younger (than Keaton) SUPPORTING VILLAIN who will be played by an actor of color...

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#55377: Apr 15th 2016 at 4:46:27 PM

Supporting villain!

Hmm who do I want...

They can't steal the show from Vulture, so probably not a heavy hitter...

And I LOVE how diverse this cast is becoming.

edited 15th Apr '16 4:48:30 PM by Whowho

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55378: Apr 15th 2016 at 5:25:26 PM

The question is, is it a race lifted big name villain or one of his villains of color from the comics.

Cause if it's the latter, I'm hoping for The Prowler so much. And that it's not Vermin.

edited 15th Apr '16 5:38:30 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55379: Apr 15th 2016 at 5:37:16 PM

From EW:

Will the Marvel Cinematic Universe ever end? Maybe. But probably our own universe will collapse on itself first.

Kevin Feige, the mastermind behind Marvel Studios’ interlocked series of movies, says there is no end in sight for the MCU – although it may take a different form after Phase Three.

“I think you look at comics as a guide,” Feige tells EW. Although certain titles may get relaunched or rebooted, the narrative exists on a never-ending continuum.

“I think there will be a finality to moments of Phase Three, as well as new beginnings that will mark a different, a very different, a distinctively different chapter in what will someday be a complete first saga made up of three phases,” Feige said.

Captain America: Civil War, which opens next month, is now the 13th movie in the series, and the universe has gotten to the point where a fresh twist was necessary, its filmmakers say. Instead of the usual good-guy/bad-guy conflict, this one pits hero against hero as Cap and Iron Man throw punches over who has power over the superpowered.

“Things always get deconstructed, right?” says Joe Russo, who directs Civil War with his brother, Anthony. (The two are also the filmmaking force behind 2018 and 2019’s Avengers: Infinity War double feature.) “You build things up and people enjoy the experiences you’ve built up. But then you kind of reach an apex or you reach a climax, a moment where you go, ‘This structure is really going to start to be repetitious if we do this again, so what do we do now?’ So now, you deconstruct it. We’re in the deconstruction phase with Civil War and leading into Infinity War, which are the culmination films.”

It’s no accident that the next movies in the Marvel Studios line-up – Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2, Thor: Ragnarok – involve characters who are not featured in Civil War. “That’s somewhat intentional to go and explore the other aspects [of the universe],” Feige says.

The post-Infinity War Phase Four line-up is currently wide open, although a third Guardians of the Galaxy movie is considered a likely option. Other possibilities include sequels to Doctor Strange, Black Panther, or Captain Marvel, which will all have their first stand-alone features released in Phase Three.

Although he left it vague, that could be what Feige means when he says the universe will become “distinctly different.” The same interlocked narrative will continue, but different heroes will be at the fore.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#55380: Apr 15th 2016 at 5:52:05 PM

Maybe the MCU will have more of the "anything can happen in your back yard" feel the 616 universe has, given that there will be a lot more superheros at that point, and it would be post Thanos wrecking shit.

Like, I enjoy the narrative of the supernormal becoming more and more omnipresent. To the point where it's in the streets and kids are becoming superheroes.

edited 15th Apr '16 5:53:45 PM by Whowho

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#55381: Apr 15th 2016 at 5:52:07 PM

Apologies if this sounds terrible, but since the original comics didn't have many/any characters of color among Peter's classmates, I wonder if they are going to the route of Spectacular and racelifting those characters (which is fine by me).

As for the supporting villain, wondering and somewhat hoping that it's Shocker. Like to see him adapted, and he has been drawn as Ambiguously Brown.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#55382: Apr 15th 2016 at 5:55:11 PM

Shocker was my first thought too for some reason.

He makes a good henchmen I guess, because he's not competent enough to have his own plan.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55384: Apr 15th 2016 at 6:22:22 PM

Apologies if this sounds terrible, but since the original comics didn't have many/any characters of color among Peter's classmates, I wonder if they are going to the route of Spectacular and racelifting those characters (which is fine by me).

That's not terrible, it's just stating facts. Even TASM had Sally Avril as an Asian girl (for the like 10 seconds she was on screen).

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#55385: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:33:48 PM

Yeah, Shocker has always been a favourite choice of mine as a Spider-man villain with a decently strong power built out of technology but with far more humble ambitions along the lines of "get money."

No revenge plots, no crazy plans to take over the world or a city, just a regular Joe Q. A-hole that innovated one awesome piece of technology and is trying to get his. He's pretty much just like Peter before Uncle Ben died.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#55386: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:41:35 PM

Hey, does anyone know if it's either Marvel or Sony who does the casting?

Because yeah, this is some interesting casting choices we got going here.

I'm actually getting worried that Marvel won't even bother with MJ or Gwen...

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55387: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:44:28 PM

Between the two it would be in their best interest to go back to MJ or use Felicia as a love interest instead, imo. Emma Stone was a great Gwen but this version of Spider-Man needs to distance itself from ASM.

edited 15th Apr '16 7:44:46 PM by wehrmacht

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55388: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:46:15 PM

I'm in favor of anything that is treading new ground and not just trying to put a new spin on stuff that was in the Raimi and Webb movies.

Hey, does anyone know if it's either Marvel or Sony who does the casting?

This was what Feige said about Marvel's role in the movie.

We’re working very much [together]. It is a— I don’t know exactly what the credits will be, but it is a Sony Pictures production of a Marvel Studios film. The agreement was that it is very much a Sony Pictures movie. Amy Pascal is co-producing it with us and [Sony Chairman] Tom Rothman is leading the charge for Sony and that we are the creative producers. We are the ones hiring the actor, introducing him in this film, and then working right now on the script and soon to be shooting the actual Spidey film.”

edited 15th Apr '16 7:49:17 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55389: Apr 15th 2016 at 8:02:31 PM

I'd prefer it if they did it like The Spectacular Spiderman, where Pete has a large supporting cast including several possible Love Interests, and while there is a noticeable romantic arc there the plot takes a step back and has a lot of interactions with each of them.

It's not going to happen, though, because major romantic arcs are obligatory, but I can dream can't I?

edited 15th Apr '16 8:02:37 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55390: Apr 15th 2016 at 8:34:48 PM

I'd like it if Spidey had no real romantic plotline in general. Maybe someone he crushes on but not a proper "winning girl" or anything. Anyway, considering the story is supposed to take place in modern New York it'd be extremely unrealistic to the point of implausible deniability if every one of his peers was a white person.

Anyway that one rotten review for Civil War's main complaint seems to be the movie wasn't dark and gritty enough for his tastes, and while he's entitled to dislike it for that reason, hearing that will be the case isn't a negative in my eyes.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55391: Apr 15th 2016 at 8:42:05 PM

I just want a humor/seriousness balance akin to Winter Soldier, which had the appropriate levity that didn't take away from the serious moments.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55392: Apr 15th 2016 at 8:58:04 PM

Happy that even the negative review said Black Panther is awesome.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55393: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:18:15 PM

On the other hand, I keep hearing that Sharon Carter is underused/underserved yet again, which is disappointing.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#55394: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:26:22 PM

Sadly, she just doesn't seem to have a place. Every character fills their own specific niche, but hers (badass female agent) is already taken up by much better character. Take that away and all you have is a love interest.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55395: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:38:28 PM

I think sooner or later there is a need for Mary Jane Watson, since Peter Parker and her are THE big romance of Marvel. But it's too early. Let Peter be out of high school first, perhaps have one or two other girl-friends before falling hard for Mary Jane.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55396: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:38:33 PM

It's also kinda like, what does she bring to the fight that Black Widow or Hawkeye don't? All the reviews I'm seeing keep saying the fights are perfect because the Russos emphasize and contrast everyone's powers or skill sets, but then you have Sharon who doesn't bring much to the table.

Hopefully they find a niche for her in future movies.

edited 15th Apr '16 9:39:01 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55397: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:40:31 PM

Poor Sharon. Although it says something when even professional critics who tend to be more indifferent about such things are also coming down on the movie for shoehorning Steve into a cliche romance with Sharon over characters like Sam or Bucky who he has more natural chemistry with, or just no one at all (and possibly waiting to pair him with Sharon in a future movie, after she's already been given a chance to develop as her own independent character). At least the scene is supposedly brief so it's not too intrusive even if it ends up being particularly random.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#55398: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:52:41 PM

I would be fine with Shocker being a supporting villain, as I love the character, but Prowler would be so great I can't even. What have been the stories told with Prowler more recently? I've only read his short Silver Age beginning storyline.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#55399: Apr 15th 2016 at 9:57:29 PM

If they use Prowler do you think they'll leave a backdoor for Miles?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55400: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:02:56 PM

It depends, because classic Prowler and Ultimate Prowler are two extremely different characters. One is a sympathetic bad guy who reformed and became a hero, and the other is a Card-Carrying Villain.


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