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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#55351: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:14:45 AM

They were the showrunners for season two of Daredevil.

Which I hated.

I think I'm gonna give Defenders a miss, as I had been planning on doing with any Daredevil season three that had them involved. I don't think I could bare to see them handle Jessica Jones or Luke Cage.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:15:29 AM by Wackd

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#55352: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:21:22 AM

Really? Daredevil S2's only real problem with me was the Hand's story going on. Punisher and Elektra was pretty good. Although, there was some other stuff I didn't like.

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#55353: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:21:58 AM

Gotcha.

I liked the 2/3 of the season that weren't related to The Hand, but for that 1/3, they definitely hammered the Yellow Peril stereotype about as hard as humanly possible, so that certainly is troublesome. Still, I'm willing to give them some benefit of the doubt and hope for the best.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:22:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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#55354: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:23:08 AM

I found TDKR to be enjoyable but flawed (plane scene anyone)

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#55356: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:54:00 AM

Trying to decide if that's better or worse than the one they did with the Avengers and Harley Davidson.

Wait, this is worse. The cast of the first Avengers movie only had two flyers. The Civil War cast has at least six people who couldn't possibly need a car.

edited 15th Apr '16 10:57:12 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55357: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:43:12 AM

Damn I keep forgetting Rhodey went to MIT. He really does seem pretty underdeveloped for a guy who's been in four, now five movies. At least the reviews seem to suggest his character is meatier here.

That's because Rhodey's whole bit is being a supporting character who acts on the side of what Tony is doing, rather than a character who gets attention on his own - at best, he's been a Hero of Another Story. He's not Tony's sidekick or anything (if so, he might've ironically gotten more development a la Falcon), he's more like Commissioner Gordon who gets development on the side while not being a main and is largely important in how other characters react to him.

It worked in the first couple films, but ever since it's one of those things that's always bugged me, and is a good example of how despite being a universe the MCU is still a bunch of films, where making a Focus Episode is expensive and there's not a lot of branching outside the central characters.

Still, would it have really hurt them to give him a more personal role in Ultron?

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#55358: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:45:41 AM

It was odd watching AoU to realize Rhodey was literally kicked out of the first fight against Ultron. Really. Rhodey gets punted out a window immediately, and then the other Avengers do battle. Even Maria Hill got to participate.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55359: Apr 15th 2016 at 11:59:54 AM

I've heard from the reviews he at least gets a better showing in this one.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55360: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:19:18 PM

Rhodey is the equivalent to a badly written love interest. The first movie actually does fairly right by him during the first half. We learn that he and Tony go way back (though this begs the question why Tony says that he has no one waiting for him back home, but, well), that he is a soldier because he likes the brotherhood aspect of it and the moment when he picks up Tony in the desert is one of the highlights of the movie. But after that he is kind of a dick. He tells Stane about the arc reactor in Tony's chest and seems overall be more interested in Tony going back to weapon design than anything else. In the second movie, he is even less sympathetic. I guess he did warn Tony concerning the report he was supposed to write and he does ensure that he reads more from it than the Senator wants him to, but he is also way too concerned with him going back in line. Even after he finds Tony with the burned out arc reactor, he is more interested in his behaviour than his health. Overall, he is a really shitty best friend and the only thing I give him credit for is that he doesn't allow anyone to take apart the War machine suit...but let's be realistic here, all his saying "no" could easily be ignored by anyone who wants. I guess he at least does nothing outright annoying in Iron Man 3, but they also never show how he reacted when he learned that Tony's home was attacked. All in all, he comes off more as a guy Tony happens to know and who might fight by his side once in a while than his best friend.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55361: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:32:56 PM

Yeah, not really. You've already repeatedly made it clear that you dislike Rhodey (as in anytime the character comes up) and want him to die, but that's a rather biased reading of his character.

edited 15th Apr '16 12:39:17 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55362: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:37:27 PM

Let's compare that to Falcon (not because he is also black, but because his role comes the closest to what Rhodey's role is): In the very first scene we learn that he is a Vet, how many tours he had, that he likes soul, that he list his partner on a mission, that he had trouble "coming home" and that he is now working with other vets. Five minutes and I have a complete read on the character - though it certainly helps that I like his sense of humour and the way he flirts with Natasha (yes, I ship those two!). And then he spends the rest of the movie supporting Cap all the way. He talks about Cap's feeling, he provides shelter and he stands unwavering by his side, while proving to be very competent and helpful overall. He is basically an example of a well-written love interest (without the romance, naturally), since Natasha take the role of the hero's buddy. And I enjoy every second of it. His role in Age of Ultron isn't big, but it does establish that he is still helping Steve out (though I do wonder what happened to his daytime job at this point - but I guess he is now a full-time avenger), and in Ant-man, it was really cute how much he doesn't want Steve to know that he got bested by some shrinking guy.

[up] I don't dislike Rhodey, I am just not interested in him, and I have nearly given up on the notion that I ever will be. Of all the Avengers he has the most boring power, since he is basically a lesser version of Iron Man (Age of Ultron even went out of its way to establish that War machine stories are nothing to write home about compared to Avenger stories). I also don't necessarily want him to die, I just felt that his death would have the most emotional impact on Tony. Though I would prefer it even more if he survived crippled. If he were forced to wear some version of his suit permanently in order to be able to walk, that might add an aspect to the character which could develop into something interesting. But if he died at this point, I wouldn't particularly care for him being gone. Not at all. I would mostly feel for Tony.

edited 15th Apr '16 12:41:47 PM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55363: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:42:39 PM

Yeah. I'm done with characters of of color dying to give white dudes pain, so I'll take a hard pass on that.

edited 15th Apr '16 12:44:48 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55364: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:45:19 PM

[up] Well, the alternative would be to kill off Pepper, but she has no reason to be in the fight in the first place, or to deliver a hit to Steve and kill either Falcon or Bucky, but that would feel in both cases like a waste since there is still so much you could explore regarding both characters.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55365: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:48:55 PM

Well, the alternative would be to kill off Pepper,

Or just not kill anyone. The only people going into this saying someone has to die at the end of Civil War are people online. Thus far, I haven't seen anyone in the production saying the movie ends with someone's death.

I've heard them say the ending will be "controversial", but that could mean any number of things.

edited 15th Apr '16 12:49:27 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55367: Apr 15th 2016 at 12:56:46 PM

Aaaand we have the first rotten review...I didn't read it, though, because it seemed to go too much into detail for my taste (I stopped reading when it started to summarize the start of the movie). Might be just a click-bait review though.

[up] sigh....blocked ín Germany....

edited 15th Apr '16 1:07:43 PM by Swanpride

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#55368: Apr 15th 2016 at 1:15:24 PM

[up] Basically he says that the film is toothless.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55369: Apr 15th 2016 at 1:20:36 PM

The sourcefeed review is up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmil1GaMY4

I have to say, no matter what one thinks about Grant Ward, you have to love Brett Dalton....

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55370: Apr 15th 2016 at 1:21:26 PM

[up][up]36 out of 37 ain't bad.

edited 15th Apr '16 1:21:45 PM by comicwriter

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#55371: Apr 15th 2016 at 1:21:49 PM

Brett Dalton is fantastic. His character may have gone down the drain, but the actor never stopped being really good.

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#55374: Apr 15th 2016 at 2:46:06 PM

So the main flaw the rotten review said the film had is that it feels like more set up for future movies. Odd, considering how all the other reviews stated that the film worked in spite of that.

Also, the reviewer stated that he loved The Winter Soldier, as to show that he's not biased apparently.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55375: Apr 15th 2016 at 3:58:11 PM

Tony Revolori has been cast in Spider-Man: Homecoming as one of Peter's classmates. So has Laura Harrier.

edited 15th Apr '16 4:04:13 PM by comicwriter


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