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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#55276: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:49:40 PM

I find it curious that a super-soldier is strong enough to give fight to Loki or Iron Man, but "peak humans" are hard of beating.

This shows that there isn't much difference between the physical strength of Loki and the physical strength of Agent 13.

edited 14th Apr '16 4:56:44 PM by dantecito

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#55277: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:55:55 PM

That's the magic of plot conveniencesmile

The more you know

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dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#55278: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:59:51 PM

Agent 13 and Black Widow are actually super-humans.

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#55279: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:07:45 PM

Well Leviathan did preform surgery on Black Widow

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#55280: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:24:10 PM

I'm watching the trailer for Stephan Strange, trying to figure out what decade his origin takes place (in the comics he was born in 1930 and had his accident in the fifties) it looks like they're dropping the "Really 85 years old" thing, which is a shame as it gave some authority to his supreme-ness and would make him almost a contemporary of Steve Rodgers and Bucky.

There's still a time skip of a decade or so I imagine, as Stephan has to build his sanctum I imagine.

Considering that the thing I was most excited for in terms of Doctor Strange is that it would diversify the MCU, if only in mythology, so I've realised that I'm disappointed Stephan is American, but I guess that plays into the whole "forsaking privilege to join a bigger fight" thing, though that would have still worked with an oxbridge Brit I feel.

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#55281: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:46:29 PM

I find it curious that a super-soldier is strong enough to give fight to Loki or Iron Man, but "peak humans" are hard of beating. This shows that there isn't much difference between the physical strength of Loki and the physical strength of Agent 13.

Peak-humans can slow a helicopter down with their arms and a railing to hold onto as well as kick cars away. And we don't even know what Bucky took. It could've been a lesser version of what Steve took.

Besides that Bucky was bodying everyone's hits besides BP's.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55282: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:54:04 PM

Bucky is a super soldier too. Remember how he was experimented on by Zola and Steve even said whatever Zola did is what allowed Bucky to survive falling off a damn cliff?

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#55283: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:58:01 PM

I always interpreted Bucky as being exactly even with Steve, aside from one having a metal shield and the other having a metal arm and them having slightly different fighting styles.

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#55284: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:58:51 PM

Maybe he only got a minimal dose, like Blonsky at first in the Hulk film.

They're probably even, though.

edited 14th Apr '16 5:59:44 PM by Ekuran

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#55285: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:59:10 PM

I know that but we don't know if his dosage made him as strong and durable as Steve's.

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#55286: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:02:33 PM

I always interpreted Bucky as being exactly even with Steve, aside from one having a metal shield and the other having a metal arm and them having slightly different fighting styles.

i'd say Steve is stronger, more durable and potentially less skilled than Bucky.

But Bucky's metal arm is much stronger than Cap.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55287: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:03:10 PM

He held his own against Steve rather nicely and as we just saw, he obliterated a bunch of trained combatants (including two Avengers) and was only given a challenge when another superhuman arrived to join the fight.

I think it's safe to say he's close to Steve's power level.

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#55288: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:08:21 PM

Beating Iron Man without his Iron Man suit isn't much of an accomplishment.

And Agent 13 and Nat are two skilled people but still human-level.

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#55289: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:14:57 PM

Let's not forget that Tony Stark has, unarmored, defeated two Extremis soldiers and one of his own suits in previous films.

Hellbore Since: Dec, 2010
#55290: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:19:24 PM

MCU Cap is pretty far beyond peak human, and I would say probably well into superhuman territory.

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#55291: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:23:53 PM

It's not like Tony lasted a long time in that clip. He partially has that hand doodad to thank for making it as far as he did.

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dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#55292: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:34:39 PM

My point, is that a super-soldier is almost as strong as Loki, but has trouble beating Agent 13 and Black Widow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6j0VdQkJPo

edited 14th Apr '16 6:40:32 PM by dantecito

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#55293: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:38:50 PM

[up]Was he as strong as Loki though?

Loki was pretty much shrugging off his best moves and throwing Cap around like a rag doll. By the end of the fight, Cap was the one exhausted and breathing hard while Loki only surrendered because Iron Man showed up. Dude wasn't even hurt.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#55294: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:39:01 PM

If I recall correctly, Loki was actually dominating Cap for most of their scuffle.

[nja]

edited 14th Apr '16 6:39:15 PM by Tuckerscreator

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#55295: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:43:12 PM

Judging by the trailers, a super-soldier can give fight to Iron Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXOwXkD5tFk

edited 14th Apr '16 6:44:36 PM by dantecito

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55296: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:45:21 PM

My point, is that a super-soldier is almost as strong as Loki, but has trouble beating Agent 13 and Black Widow

He really didn't, though. Sharon only lasted as long as she did because Widow joined the fight. Once she was isolated he took out Sharon rather easily. And then Widow's big attempt at stopping him just gets her choked out.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#55297: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:49:39 PM

Now that I think about it, Bucky probably doesn't recognize Widow. His memory had been wiped since he last met her, and while his memories have been coming back it's clearly been a slow, torturous process.

If he's been keeping informed about Cap, though, he probably knows of her at any rate.

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#55298: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:53:02 PM

[up][up] Yep. Those two had to tag-team him just to keep up with him for 20 seconds.

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#55299: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:06:26 PM

It occurred to me: In one of the prior clips, when Steve asks Scott Lang if he knows what they're up against, Scott responds with "Psycho Assassins." Which makes me wonder if there's something to the 'Bucky clones or simulacra' idea.

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