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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#55176: Apr 13th 2016 at 5:58:28 PM

I'd rather not humor the whole Marvel vs DC thing since we do that enough, but lol

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55177: Apr 13th 2016 at 5:59:27 PM

What's particularly funny is he cites the Suicide Squad Marvelized reshoots thing even though it's been debunked by everyone involved.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#55178: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:00:44 PM

It was? Why did they do the reshoots then?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55179: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:02:41 PM

A large number of superhero movies have reshoots. Civil War just had reshoots not too long ago.

It's an insanely common part of making blockbuster films that people nonetheless use as an indication the movie's in trouble.

edited 13th Apr '16 6:02:59 PM by comicwriter

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55180: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:05:30 PM

They did reshoots to finish some action scenes apparently (and because one of the actors had been busy with another project when the main filming was going on, so they wanted to do more with him). And David Ayer said months ago that people would be "surprised" at just how much humor was in the film.

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#55181: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:12:30 PM

Judging by one of the previous trailers for it, I already expect it to be DC's equivalent to Guardians of the Galaxy, but with a much darker comedic bent.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55182: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:16:39 PM

Probably. GOTG was basically a team of lovable misfits coming together to become heroes in spite of their natural instincts. SS, is about a team of flat-out bad/disturbed people coming together, because they're being forced to and saving the world in spite of themselves. So the humor will likely be more dark and twisted, which would fit the premise.

The equivalent with Marvel would probably be the Thunderbolts.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55183: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:19:41 PM

@RBluefish

Ugh yes. If the reason you cast a white actress in a traditionally Asian role is to avoid negative Asian stereotypes then by god stick to it. I would've been OK with a completely non-Asian Ancient One, and a somewhat stereotypical Asian-played Ancient One would've been irksome but acceptable as accuracy to the source material, but they picked the worst route possible and one I didn't think they were dumb enough to actually do. Sigh.

@ Fury news

Interesting. Wonder if the Russos will go back and cover what Age of Ultron should've done in terms of the heroes finding out about Fury's survival after the fact. AFAIK AOS hasn't explained this and all we have to go on is that Cap and Widow informed the other heroes in private.

edited 13th Apr '16 6:24:17 PM by AlleyOop

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#55184: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:25:27 PM

Or they could have cast an Asian actor and then, you know, just tailored to role to not be a stereotypical "wise old Asian guy." That would have been doable.

It's like the Mandarin, there's a huge gap between "Asian stereotype" and "lets cast a White person in the role because we're too afraid to try anything else." It's not one or the other.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#55185: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:44:09 PM

White guy replacing anyone who's not a white guy in a position of power was always going to come off with shitty implications.

Probably would have been better to make Strange Hispanic.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55186: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:47:37 PM

Yeah, supposedly Oscar Isaac was on their shortlist before he decided to play Apocalypse and Poe instead. He would've probably killed it.

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#55187: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:47:48 PM

Whenever this thread starts talking about all this representation stuff, I'm like (skip to 00:11):

edited 13th Apr '16 6:50:32 PM by FoxBoxKid

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#55188: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:52:40 PM

[up] You're not obligated to care about this as much as other people are but you could do something constructive instead like changing the subject. Even assuming a well-intentioned joke, you're cutting the line a bit close there.

edited 13th Apr '16 6:54:24 PM by wehrmacht

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55189: Apr 13th 2016 at 6:55:03 PM

[up][up]Yet you insist on whining about it every single time.

edited 13th Apr '16 6:55:25 PM by comicwriter

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#55190: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:03:36 PM

Well, I'm relieved that Marvel isn't going to have to sit on bad reviews for two weeks. Not sure why I was concerned.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#55191: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:04:39 PM

I can't remember a marvel film having outright bad reviews.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#55192: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:09:43 PM

I would have been okay with Pedro Pascal as Doctor Strange and Hai Yu (the old master from The Man of Tai Chi) The Ancient One, a veteran chinese character actor who has tailored the Old Master into an art form. I'd also have picked Ken Watanabe as Wong even though he's Japanese, because Ken Watanabe needs to be in everything and also Richard Sammel as Baron Mordo.

My dream cast would be the late Christopher Lee voicing Dormmamu, but after his tragic passing (I'm still not over it), I'd have Robert Englund (a.k.a Freddy Krueger) voicing him with all the Guttural Growler sadism he could conjure up.

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Darling.
#55193: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:10:33 PM

[up][up]Honestly, even if my mild fears were unfounded, it still was a bit of a risk to let reviews out this soon. BVS was probably eventually hamstrung by reviews, but because the reviews were only a few days old, it didn't hurt it immediately. Imagine if it had two or three weeks to let all of that negativity fester.

edited 13th Apr '16 7:10:59 PM by edvedd

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#55194: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:16:51 PM

Marvel was probably confident enough in their film that they were willing to do that.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#55195: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:17:54 PM

Yeah, supposedly Oscar Isaac was on their shortlist before he decided to play Apocalypse and Poe instead. He would've probably killed it.

GODDAMN IT!!!! This makes me as mad as Snyder passing Cranston up for Lex.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#55196: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:18:10 PM

[up][up]I know. But man, that was a nerve-racking several hours.

Civil War opens on the 29th in my country, but I'll be in Japan on vacation then. Rrrrgh.

[up]I mean, if he turned it down, that's not really Marvel's fault.

edited 13th Apr '16 7:19:33 PM by edvedd

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#55197: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:21:13 PM

[up] I know but I'm not mad at Marvel or Oscar. I'm mad at what could have been.

I'm definitely mad at Snyder's decision though

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55198: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:32:19 PM

Well, I'm relieved that Marvel isn't going to have to sit on bad reviews for two weeks. Not sure why I was concerned.

Civil War has a lot of moving parts and a lot of potential to go wrong. It's quite impressive that the the most consistent criticism is pretty much only "The romance sucks".

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#55199: Apr 13th 2016 at 7:36:52 PM

WAIT. WAIT.

OSCAR ISAACS IS APOCALYPSE?!

My various fanfics.

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