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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#55126: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:38:23 PM

[up][up]I meant by comparison

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55127: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:39:44 PM

[up][up]

There’s also a slightly icky and completely unnecessary romantic beat that torpedoes the MCU’s best love story

Zombie Peggy Carter confirmed.

edited 13th Apr '16 12:40:28 PM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55128: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:41:33 PM

Ah, give a warning...this one seems to be on the spoilery side (I stopped reading when they started to describe the opening scene of the movie...I want impressions, not plot beats).

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#55129: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:43:58 PM

[up][up]That would be the MCU's greatest love story.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55130: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:45:11 PM

Marvel need writers that understand romantic stories. This is such a common complaint now.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55131: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:47:48 PM

Alternatively they need to stop adding romantic stories in general unless they really need them. Many, many hit movies in recent years have shown you don't have to shoehorn one in to appeal to multiple demographics, and if anything it just annoys most people because it's so easy to do badly.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55132: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:48:13 PM

I bet that the reviewer just thought that Steve still being in love with Peggy after all this years is icky because she is not a bomb shell any longer thanks to convincing make-up. Well, and because her mind is mostly gone....

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#55133: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:50:31 PM

One thing I appreciated about Winter Soldier and GOTG was that the male lead didn't get with the female lead

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#55134: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:50:49 PM

[up][up]That, or they're referring to a certain Sharon...

wild mass guessSeason 3 of Agent Carter takes place after Civil War, as Zombie Peggy fights crime, crosses over with Agents of SHIELD, and is caught in a love quadrangle between Cap and that cop that looks like Sousa, vs her rival niece.wild mass guess

edited 13th Apr '16 12:51:03 PM by Tuckerscreator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#55135: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:51:06 PM

Marvel need writers that understand romantic stories are unnecessary and suck. This is such a common complaint now.

FTFY

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#55136: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:52:11 PM

Hey, Deadpool was the best romantic action comedy of the decade!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55137: Apr 13th 2016 at 12:57:26 PM

If the romance in Deadpool was well-written or not is debatable. But in any case, romance is something which rarely works in the MCU. I think mostly because the writers tend to fall back into overdone tropes and for some reason the usually fool-proof casting fails from time to time in terms of chemistry between the intended love interests.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#55138: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:01:11 PM

I'm pretty sure the love tory is Cap/Bucky/Falcon, or "Cap and his two girlfriends", as they're referred to on set.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55139: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:02:58 PM

It doesn't help that Sharon was a bit character in the last movie and from what the actress has said, her part isn't huge in this one either. So they're basically expecting everyone to buy Cap's romance with someone who is essentially a nothing character.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55140: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:03:24 PM

Found a transcript on Reddit of the Cinemablend review before it disappeared. As usual, beware possible spoilers. Nothing too dramatic, but some stuff about character interactions.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#55141: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:06:51 PM

@Swanpride

I think it's just the idea that after you finish your relationship with one person you move onto her next relative is kinda Squicky and vaguely pseudo-incestuous. Granted Sharon and Peggy aren't all that closely related at this point, but I was really hoping it was either a coincidence that they shared last names since Carter is pretty common or that they were only distantly related by marriage or adoption to completely avoid any of those implications.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55142: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:09:13 PM

Just call her Sharon Cooperman.

edited 13th Apr '16 1:09:31 PM by comicwriter

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55143: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:20:38 PM

The thing with writing a good romance in general is that, broadly speaking, the two characters have to be compelling in their own right and be their own characters who function independently of one another. Too often the love interest is just really boring and feels like they're there to fulfill a superhero story trope checklist rather than a solid character that had a lot of thought put into them (Rachel from the Nolan Batman movies, MJ from the Raimi Spider-Man films, Jane Foster, etc).

Part of the problem is that writers and filmmakers feel like romance is such a relatable and universal concept that they seem to feel like they don't have to put in the effort and so they rely on stock tropes and situations that have been done over and over again. And well, all of that is just wrong.

The reason Peggy is often considered the best is simply because she makes a strong impression as a likable character. It feels like there was some consideration being given to who she was and that she had goals and a life of her own rather than existing to be someone's squeeze.

Simply put if you're gonna have a romance, make it really important and give some thought to the love interest as her own character.

edited 13th Apr '16 1:21:10 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55144: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:26:19 PM

Peggy works so well because even in her first appearance she felt like a heroine of another story who just happened to cross Steve's path...that at least part of said story was told later on made their relationship even more relatable.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#55145: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:48:32 PM

Can we talk about how they set to fix Strangled by the Red String in Thor by doubling down on it turning it into a full Romantic Plot Tumor?

Like seriously, that's impressively missing why people didn't care for that romance.

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#55146: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:58:28 PM

I haven't seen Dark World but my main problem with it was that Jane and all the other Earth characters were utterly uninteresting and taking away from the actual interesting stuff happening in Asgard. Why should I care about the development Thor has with these people if I don't care about them and find them unimpressive characters? That was the main reason Thor's narrative arc was weak.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55147: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:12:43 PM

Well, Rotten tomatoes has started collecting...but considering all the five stars reviews I have seen so far, I think a fresh rating from the critics should be a save bet.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#55148: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:15:35 PM

Wow...I mean Campea generally tends to overpraise movies but her seriously thinks about the question if the airport scene might be the best action scene in film history Looks like all the work they put into it paid off big time.

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#55149: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:33:56 PM

Ign reviewed it gave it 7.8

Let the too much x jokes begin again

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#55150: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:46:19 PM

Actually unlike Ultron, the majority of the reviews seem to be saying the jokes are balanced and don't detract from the serious moments.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:46:35 PM by comicwriter


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