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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Venom only lacks humanity if you're lazy.
There's a decent concept in there that more often than not has been squandered.
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I think Spectacular Spiderman did a pretty solid job with him at least. Though that might be the exception that proves the rule.
edited 12th Apr '16 8:23:53 PM by kkhohoho
In fairness, the popular perception of Venom and the character as he was portrayed in adaptations before SM 3 (I guess mainly the 90's animated series) didn't exactly paint a picture of him as a super complex and tragic character, which seemed to be Raimi's favorite thing given the fact that elements of that are present with all the three "main" villains of his trilogy.
Not that this really matters all that much because I'm fairly sure that his Doctor Octopus was pretty different from the "mainstream" portrayal of the character as a self-important and arrogant mad genius, who didn't really have the tragedy of losing his wife and the arms controlling him and his ambitions failing him and whatnot. I guess the main point is that Raimi just didn't care for him, and pressure to put him in that movie because of his popularity only contributed to making the movie much worse than it likely would have been otherwise.
edited 12th Apr '16 8:28:58 PM by wehrmacht
Best case would have been the executives letting Raimi do his thing. Moderate case, Raimi apply his Raimi nonsense to Venom. Worst case, Raimi makes a movie about Judas Traveler.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHonestly I think it would've been better to cut the Sandman and focus on the symbiote and Venom more. Both of those things fit in better with the overall themes of the Spider-Man series which was about identity.
Spider-man 1: Peter becomes Spider-man. Norman fighter for control over himself and loses.
Spider-man 2: Peter decides whether he wants to stay Spider-man. Octavius fights for control of his mind and wins but dies.
Spider-man 3: Rather than the villain, it's Peter who has to fight for control over himself.
edited 12th Apr '16 8:37:16 PM by MadSkillz
I don't know about intentionally making him suck, and in fairness the movie was juggling enough things as it was. He probably just prioritized Sandman and the harry storyline, which in fairness is what would have made sense anyway because those are two important plotlines that have ties to the first movie and take precedence over some new upstart villain.
All the more reason to get a good adaptation of the character in the MCU. I want to see Agent Venom personally but that'd take a long time to set up.
If he really cared to, he could have probably made Venom a decent character the same way he did with Doctor Octopus. He wasn't exactly faithful to comic book Doc Ock to the letter, but that didn't really matter because his take on the character was compelling for the time.
The movie could have worked if it was either Harry and Sandman or Harry and Venom, but not all three.
edited 12th Apr '16 8:38:19 PM by wehrmacht
I don't understand how the Sandman didn't feel shoe'd in. He comes out of nowhere and is now Uncle Ben's killer.
I think rather than Eddie Brock, it should've been J Jonah Jameson's son who should've become Venom. He already has a grudge against Peter and he's an astronaut. He could've come back with the symbiote on one of his trips.
edited 12th Apr '16 8:41:30 PM by MadSkillz
American accent took me back initially (amusingly reminds me a bit of Dr. House), but... wow. I feel like he does after watching it.
It's like after a consistent rule of magic being science, this is so different. Also while I know there will be other trailers, this seemed unusual in not really spelling out the plotlines and stylistically telling the story through how Strange looks at different points.
edited 12th Apr '16 9:09:11 PM by Hodor2
The effects in this are already off the hook. And there's already something kind of horror-y about the tone.
edited 12th Apr '16 9:16:43 PM by edvedd
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Kind of early to say anything about acting.
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What really hooked me were the visuals. The moment where the entire room shifts around Mads Miekkelsen's character looks fantastic.
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The problem was Raimi was pressured to put Venom into the movie because of executives. He didn't want to put him in because of his "lack of humanity"; we can see that through the three movies, the humanity of the villains and how they tie into Spider-Man is very important for Raimi, and Venom just did not provide that. So he ended up being shoehorned into the plot and it made for a mess. Without him and the symbiote, the movie could have actually been pretty decent.