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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54801: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:30:54 PM

My girlfriend just contacted me saying "That Black Panther guy you reblogged on tumblr is so cool I wanna see his film and can you tell me all about him"

I am so happy.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54802: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:32:10 PM

That's something definitely worth being happy about!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54803: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:32:56 PM

Wow, Cap is a bit of a prat in that comic excerpt. He's making it exceptionally hard to sympathize with him. In fact, I kind of want to see his face get punched repeatedly.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54804: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:36:35 PM

[up] Really? I love how he takes Tony verbally down, even though he is absolutely beaten already.

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#54805: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:37:58 PM

Block me from this specific thread until I see civil war or until a spoiler thread is created

edited 9th Apr '16 1:39:00 PM by DarthSion

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54806: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:44:31 PM

Not that Civil War's spoilers.

edited 9th Apr '16 1:44:39 PM by Tuckerscreator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54807: Apr 9th 2016 at 1:44:53 PM

He's overly sanctimonious.

I lack context so I don't know whether this is what its really about but Cap gave up because he was alarming firefighters and police and 'real people'

When the horse was already out of the barn. When Goliath had died and all that property damage and bruised clavicles had happened. When Tony had already offered him a truce - a truce that we know from a What If that he was serious about and would have led to a great compromise. A truce offer that instead the 616 Cap used to get a cheap shot on Tony.

The writing in Civil War was pretty much all stupid but Cap being a sore loser doesn't really help to support his own side. (Also animals go to war all the time, that's a dumb quote.)

Tony may have been written like a fascist lunatic in Civil War but Steve was pretty much written as a lunatic too. But since he shouts AMERICA and FREEDOM he mostly got away with it. Also because he died before he had to deal with the repercussions. Lucky bastard.

So the whole conversation comes off as 'nyeh nyeh i have the moral high ground' and Tony just lets him wear himself out shouting. It comes off less as mighty philosophical shut down of the Very Wrong Tony and more Tony realizing there's no point even talking to his asshole.

edited 9th Apr '16 1:46:25 PM by Bocaj

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54808: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:16:06 PM

And Cap is wrong there that humans are the only species that wage war. Ants, monkeys, lions, etc. tongue

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#54809: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:30:49 PM

We're already talking about it, but hey early Civil War reactions.

Survey says:

  • MCU!Spider-Man is Best Spider-Man. note 
  • Chadwick Boseman kills it as Black Panther.
  • Spidey and Ant-Man give the right amount of levity for this movie.
  • The airport scene is much bigger than what we've seen in the trailers.
  • Already said it, but it's worth mentioning again. MCU!Spider-Man is Best Spider-Man.

You can almost hear the Sony executives who wanted to keep doing The Amazing Spider-Man Series sitting in their offices going:

(Headdesk) Damn it. (Headdesk) Damn it. (Headdesk) Damn it. (Headdesk)...

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54810: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:04:18 PM

Cap's conduct in the 616 civil war makes him pretty unlikeable to me. It seems his plan was to set up infrastructure to allow vigilantes to fight crime and threats without the government being able to locate and apprehend them. But all he actually does is none of that and instead leads superheroes in attacking government facilities.

Tony was Anti Reg too, but his approach was to collaborate with the government to try and ensure the Reg doesn't become a human rights shit show, but cap stopped him from doing that.

Cap was the aggressor who made it a war. Tony meanwhile retaliated too hard and escalated to the fascism he originally set out to stop.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#54811: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:06:12 PM

So from what I hear, Holland's screen time is 10 minutes as Peter Parker and 20 as Spidey and that he's one of the most expendable parts of the movie but also one of the best.

Oh and the climatic battle is Cap v Iron Man.

edited 9th Apr '16 3:06:43 PM by MadSkillz

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54812: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:37:39 PM

Screaming about how you never compromise anything ever sure is what America and freedom are all about.

Somehow I'm not even sure if I'm being sarcastic.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#54813: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:40:30 PM

MCU!Spider-Man is Best Spider-Man.

Which doesn't speak a whole lot. tongue

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54814: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:04:25 PM

I still love Garfield's Peter Parker, and I'm not sure I'm ready for a new one.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54815: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:07:30 PM

I think both spider-men had their strengths, but I'm more inclined to be harder on Garfield if only because I hate how his character was written in ASM.

I hope Marvel has made a version of the character I can 100% get behind.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#54816: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:56:36 PM

It's simple, Tony Mc Guire was a great Peter Parker and Andrew Garfield was an excellent Spider-man, and now I want to see what this new guy does.

I can't wait for the movie to be out already, the positive critical reviews is too hype-inducing.

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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#54817: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:58:23 PM

So far, the Russos can do no wrong

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54818: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:58:29 PM

The good part about Holland is that he looks very young. He's 19, but he could comfortably pass as a 15 year old for sure.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#54819: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:59:55 PM

Garfield's Peter Parker was a Cool Loser.

Maguire's Peter Parker was just a dweeb.

I want an actual nerdy Peter Parker. Someone you could see reading Lord of the Rings, go on fan forums, be an avid video gamer, read comic books, love Star Wars, buy action figures and be a bit shy act and under-confident without it being crippling.

edited 9th Apr '16 6:01:04 PM by MadSkillz

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#54820: Apr 9th 2016 at 6:00:14 PM

Maybe Holland is the best of both spider men

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54821: Apr 9th 2016 at 6:01:21 PM

And who vows that one day they'll see THEY'LL ALL SEE!

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54822: Apr 9th 2016 at 6:44:59 PM

I want an actual nerdy Peter Parker. Someone you could see reading Lord of the Rings, go on fan forums, be an avid video gamer, read comic books, love Star Wars, buy action figures and be a bit shy act and under-confident without it being crippling.

See, I didn't like the ASM movies, but that criticism always seemed a tad weird to me. Geek culture in 2012 is not what it was in the 60's. Superheroes and fantasy are far more mainstream. Comic book movies and the Lord of the Rings don't make a billion dollars because hardcore friendless geeks see them; they do so because EVERYONE sees them. Video games are a bigger industry than Hollywood. Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead are two of the most popular TV shows on the air right now.

The pop culture landscape for nerds is vastly different now, so I never really had a problem with the fact that he had a trendy haircut and a jacket and rode a skateboard. I can tell you that when I was in high school only a few years ago, the people into nerdy shit did not dress in big thick coke bottle glasses and sweater vests anymore.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#54823: Apr 9th 2016 at 6:47:40 PM

ASM Peter does fit the antisocial and kind of mean side of nerdishness. Like I can definitely see him making nasty Reddit comments.

So from that perspective, it would be nice to see a Peter who besides not being an asshole, had "nerdy interests"- come to think of it, the CW Flash is a good model for that.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#54824: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:09:57 PM

Nerd culture is mainstream but someone really hardcore into it would still be branded a nerd. A lot of people watch Star Wars movies but only a small fraction buy the comic books, novels, figures, etc. Those people are the nerds.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54825: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:13:49 PM

[up][up]That was my main problem with him: ASM Peter just felt like a self-centered asshole, which made it impossible for me to care about him because I felt this was something that was insufficiently addressed by the film, it felt like it was accidental rather than purposeful in some respects.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:18:11 PM by wehrmacht


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