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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#54751: Apr 8th 2016 at 8:35:58 AM

It's basically a question of "which of these movies did you like best", which is a fair question to ask but actually judging the director's filmography as a whole would require multiple films probably.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#54752: Apr 8th 2016 at 8:39:34 AM

Which is kind of a problem for the Russo brothers, considering the tiny amount of movies they have.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54753: Apr 8th 2016 at 8:51:24 AM

What did they do before the MCU?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54754: Apr 8th 2016 at 8:54:20 AM

Which is why I said "too early" but Civil war would be a fair indicator considering that the filmography of Whedon and Gunn isn't THAT extensive either.

Even if Gunn delivers a great Got G Vol 2 I lean more towards the Russo brothers because they really have a knack how to stage a good action scene (yes, I know, they have expert for this kind of stuff but still, the action in the Winter Soldier is head and shoulders over everything else, though Gunn is at least really good with space battles) and a very firm grip on the characters. I am still impressed with how many of them they juggled for The Winter Soldier. And how they dealt with the Tie-ins. In no other movie they are that settled and yet meaningful.

[up] Mostly TV, they directed a number of community episodes...which is apparently a really good training for film, considering that 10 Cloverfield Lane was also directed by a community alumni, and the movie really impressed me for what it was.

edited 8th Apr '16 8:55:37 AM by Swanpride

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54755: Apr 8th 2016 at 8:59:07 AM

Regardless of quality, Guardians of the Galaxy is just a far more ambitious directing challenge.

I'm tempted to say who ever salvaged ANT-MAN from Edgar did the most impressive feat of directing so far in this franchise.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#54756: Apr 8th 2016 at 9:00:04 AM

Just Welcome to Collinwood and You Me And Dupree, in addition to a lot of television work.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54757: Apr 8th 2016 at 9:07:31 AM

[up][up] You mean because the world is entirely fake? Good point, but I look for a little bit more...like camera angles, the staging of the scenes and the quality of the performance. James Gun is good, really good (and yes, I think he is better than Whedon when it comes to that), but I feel the Russo bros did a little bit better in The Winter Soldier.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54759: Apr 8th 2016 at 9:53:59 AM

Not surprising but he confirms MCU characters will appear in the Spider-Man movie.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54760: Apr 8th 2016 at 9:54:17 AM

"He is in the universe now, and the fun of the universe is that characters go back and forth,"

Interesting. So maybe there's more leeway in who gets to appear in what than we thought.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54762: Apr 8th 2016 at 9:56:31 AM

Well just from the interviews it seems like the Russos and I operate on very similar wavelengths when it comes to characterization, plot, and priorities. Like, it's ridiculous how much stuff on my personal list of hopes and fears for Civil War got addressed explicitly at some point by them in a way that I liked. Whereas Whedon does make very good stuff on his own terms, and Gunn's just not to my taste.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54763: Apr 8th 2016 at 10:13:32 AM

Gunn can play more or less in his own sandbox. What impresses me about the Russos is the way the embrace the universe, all of it, even The Incredible Hulk.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54764: Apr 8th 2016 at 10:13:49 AM

Outside of their MCU the directors I think have the strongest work are probably Kenneth Branagh, Jon Favreau and Ryan Coogler.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
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#54766: Apr 8th 2016 at 11:54:18 AM

Joss Whedon even though he's more of a tv director

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#54768: Apr 8th 2016 at 12:50:49 PM

wild mass guessZemo one is one of Hive's codragons

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54769: Apr 8th 2016 at 12:53:31 PM

They're not gonna have Zemo be a stooge to some TV villain.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54770: Apr 8th 2016 at 1:14:13 PM

The first reactions to the film should be out tonight and the first reviews are Wednesday.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54771: Apr 8th 2016 at 1:43:48 PM

That's super early. It's not out for another month so they must be really confident in it.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#54772: Apr 8th 2016 at 2:11:23 PM

[up]

I checked the international release dates, and it looks like next Wednesday is still two weeks before has any wide-release in any market.

That's not just a lot of confidence, that's Marvel saying "This movie is in the running for the best superhero movie of all time".

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54773: Apr 8th 2016 at 3:10:14 PM

As someone stated up earlier, I'm tempted to consider Ant-Man's director the best just for somehow salvaging Wright's initial movie. Even if it's not my favorite MCU film, it's just plain impressive.

But I guess I'd probably have to go with the Russos thus far just based on Winter Soldier. I'm actually fond of Whedon's snarky humor and would still consider Avengers my favorite MCU film, but Winter Soldier comes pretty damn close to perfect as far as directing goes.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#54775: Apr 8th 2016 at 3:29:51 PM

I'll wait to see Civil War before I saw if the Russos are my favourite. Winter Soldier was easily my favourite MCU movie, but one movie (not "one MCU movie" or even "one big action movie" - one movie, ever) isn't a lot to go on. And there's a lot of room to screw up in Civil War - the politics; the large number of charcters, including some new ones with large fanbases; the number of plot elements associated with those charcters; the need for a strong, credible rationale on why the heroes would come to blows; and not least, the fact that at least the general concept (though not the specific conflict) is based on a comic arc that's widely hated.

If they can make as good a movie as Winter Soldier, then I'll know they're my favourite MCU directors. And if they do, they'll be some of the most sought-after directors in Hollywood for the next while.

edited 8th Apr '16 3:30:53 PM by Galadriel


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