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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Cross (Don’t ask)
#54276: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:15:12 PM

Basically Garrett was reduced to reduced to a joke when he should have stepped up.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54277: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:16:12 PM

"Don't tell me you did all this because you misheard my damn speech."

[up] Nope, they removed him off the stage at exactly the right moment. After all the damage he had already done at this point, it was a relief that at least this threat was out of the way.

edited 31st Mar '16 12:17:49 PM by Swanpride

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#54278: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:16:59 PM

When people talk about the TV villains being better, they're basically just talking about Daredevil and JJ. I personally don't care about Agents of SHIELD at all, but I also won't say they don't count since they ARE TV villains.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54279: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:18:49 PM

Sion gave no such inclination, so I'm taking him at face value.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#54280: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:19:17 PM

Well Mr. Hyde and Jaiying were pretty cool villains.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54281: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:19:43 PM

[up][up]I know, I'm just saying that generally when people praise the Netflix villains as being superior, they're specifically talking about Wilson Fisk and Kilgrave.

edited 31st Mar '16 12:20:07 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54282: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:20:55 PM

She really hit me out of the left field...I had a bad feeling about her, but not THAT bad.

Whitehall was a first class creep, too. "Discovery requires experimentation". "I am happy to comply"...*shudder*

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#54283: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:22:24 PM

Whitehall could've gone on longer, but I kind of feel glad they stopped using him when they did. Dude was creepier than Ward.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54284: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:23:37 PM

I'd say Dottie Underwood and Whitney Frost are fairly phenomenal villains. (Well, Frost's breakdown in the back end of her season is not great, but up to that point she's pretty good.)

I dunno that I can say Fisk is a great villain anymore. Like. Daredevil season two was written so melodramatically and basically boiled Fisk down to a generically bombastic ringleader with a rage problem, stripping him of any nuance he had in season one. It didn't help that Vincent D'Onofrio visibly stopped giving a shit. And unlike with Frost, where there's a visible source for this shift, Fisk just...stops being dimensional.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Cross (Don’t ask)
#54285: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:24:25 PM

 Nope, they removed him off the stage at exactly the right moment. After all the damage he had already done at this point, it was a relief that at least this threat was out of the way. 

Difficult to register how much of a threat he was since he ruined his own plans. Malick may have been right when he said Ward was the best thing Garrett did for Hydra.

I like Dottie, Whitney, and Cal. Meh on rest from Agent Carter and Ao S.

edited 31st Mar '16 12:26:12 PM by Cross

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54286: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:25:01 PM

Daredevil Season 2 salvaged Fisk for me...beforehand he wasn't threatening enough for my taste.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54287: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:29:12 PM

Fisk is awesome.

Agent Carter Season 2 disappointed me so heavily that I couldn't care much about Whitey Frost. I almost never subscribe to the concept of They Changed It, Now It Sucks!, but Whitney may be my very first exception.

edited 31st Mar '16 12:30:23 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54288: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:00:11 PM

The conversation three pages ago about Killgrave made me think of him walking into the Avengers tower to take over the world, but the entire team no selling his powers.

Vision and Thor aren't weak to human viruses, Iron Man, War Machine and Ant Man have sealed suits, Clint is deaf and can't hear Kilgrave's orders, Natasha is too literal minded to get Kilgrave's meanings, Bruce is under his control, but Kilgrave can't figure out how to order him to be angry, Bucky simply goes into shock from mind control triggering him, and Wanda just can't understand Kilgrave's accent.

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#54289: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:01:11 PM

I haven't seen season two yet, but I found Fisk in the first season to be underwhelming. I explained why in this post about a year ago.

Kilgrave is amazing, though.

edited 31st Mar '16 1:02:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54290: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:01:39 PM

[up][up] He was active before Avengers 2 and Winter Soldier, so Vision and Witch wouldn't be around and there wouldn't be an Avengers HQ for him to walk into.

edited 31st Mar '16 1:01:57 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54291: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:09:50 PM

Don't worry. The TV shows are essentially in their own universe, so they'll never have to deal with that.tongue

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54292: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:13:59 PM

Doesn't mean I can't enjoy my hypothetical AU.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#54293: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:16:00 PM

Wanda just can't understand Kilgrave's accent.

Best defense against mind control ever.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54294: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:19:57 PM

I was pretty impressed that they managed to put a call back to season 1, a hidden hint towards the Netflix shows, a name drop of damager control while adding some more story to Agent Carter in the last episode of Agent of Shield without anything feeling forced at all. Oh, and they mentioned age of Ultron, too, for good measures.

edited 31st Mar '16 1:20:25 PM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54295: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:20:27 PM

There was one cosmic superhero who fought a couple of mind readers and virus-like people and his AI friend who protected his mind spent most fights with them going "You have 27.4 Earth seconds left before our mind/hack shields will go down so punch their face in".

I also recall someone being impossible to read or control because their mind was trained by filling it with catchy 80's songs.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#54296: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:38:07 PM

Tobias, do this day instill love that post. Sometimes I just randomly like to imagine Fisk screaming "CAREER SUICIDE IS MY MIDDLE NAAAAAAAAAAAME" while charging at Owlsly. It's fun.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#54297: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:44:21 PM

"Finding out he's just some guy reading people's psych profiles was underwhelming. "

Not, what was underwhelming is him becoming a saturday cartoon villian after having the serum and being defeat by freaking monologing!

"Ward is above all currently unbelievable creepy...nearly Killgrave creepy, and that is saying something."

Nonsense, for me is a sick puppy, you dont care to much but feel you have to mercy kill because is mind is suffering to much.

The issue with the villian is already talk a lot: Marvel only care about then as antagonist for the hero and eveyrthing else is bullshit, Winter soldier Hydra and Loki are good because they get time and care as chararter.

Which I said I will disagree with Swanpride here: having personal stakes is not all and sometimes it dismiss the work around, Iron man 2 is bad because it focus to much in Tony at the expense of all other plots, Thor 1 didnt do much for Thor while Loki pathos resonate with theme of the movie(rulership) and with Winter soldier there was more than just Cap feeling lost, the movie feel greater as result.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#54298: Mar 31st 2016 at 2:08:02 PM

I'm quite fond of the anti mind reading defence "Think in a different language".

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#54299: Mar 31st 2016 at 2:26:08 PM

Whoa, hang on.

Hawkeye is deaf? I didn't know that.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54300: Mar 31st 2016 at 2:30:03 PM

I don't believe he is in the MCU.

In the comics, it varies.

He was deafened when he stuck a sonic arrow in his mouth but then Franklin Richards fixed his hearing and then a mime assassin stabbed him in the eardrums with arrows

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