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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54151: Mar 30th 2016 at 12:47:34 PM

If/When Hela appears she'll probably not be his kid. The movies have already made it clear that the Norse myths weren't accurate, so just say mortals were confused somewhere and thought they were related.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54152: Mar 30th 2016 at 12:56:41 PM

The comics like to joke about it and Hela's past is even a long running sub plot created by Kieron Gillen back in Journey Into Mystery that survives to this day.

She's the grown up version of Kid!Loki's BFF/girlfriend Leah and explaining it more would just confuse non-comic readers.

I expect the movies to just have her be a evil asgardian.

edited 30th Mar '16 12:59:29 PM by LordofLore

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#54153: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:05:40 PM

You know, everyone always brings up how amazing WS is, yet no one points out how many flaws the film truly has:

(Jeremy does indeed dislike the film, unlike some of his other videos)

edited 30th Mar '16 2:06:20 PM by LDragon2

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54154: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:11:49 PM

...How many times have we asked you now to stop talking about this video?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#54155: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:23:55 PM

Does L Dragon 2 not like Winter Soldier?

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#54156: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:24:32 PM

I do like it. I'm just wondering if I've overpraised it.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#54157: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:25:09 PM

[up][up][up][up] Seriously, please stop. Half of those flaws aren't even flaws, they're just things Cinema Sins didn't pay attention to or made up for humor.

[up]And you've wondered about it plenty before. Just because one group of people, a group preoccupied with making comedy videos, thought it suffered from hype backlash and trashed it harder doesn't make it any more flawed. This is not the first time this discussion has been had, and it's extremely annoying.

edited 30th Mar '16 2:26:09 PM by Khfan429

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54158: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:27:25 PM

And I remember you being banned over doing basically the same thing in the Wii-U thread. Twice.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#54159: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:27:42 PM

Here's what I know about Cinema Sins: they suck.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54161: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:36:33 PM

Let's see, that makes this... eight. Eight times.

That video is what, two years old now? And if according to Scott McCloud, one year in real life equals seven on the Internet, then this is the equivalent of harping on the subject for FOURTEEN YEARS. LET. IT. GO.

edited 30th Mar '16 2:37:34 PM by Tuckerscreator

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#54162: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:37:21 PM

Okay. Just thought enough time had passed that I could bring it up again. Anyways, new subject.

If there's one thing I learned from BVS, it's that even if you have an Oscar-winning screenwriter writing the script for your superhero movie, that doesn't automatically mean the movie is gonna be good. That makes me a bit more optimistic for Doctor Strange, considering how well Marvel usually is when it comes to the writing. Heck, they dropped the original two (really poor) screenwriters, Thomas Dean Donnelly and Joshua Oppenheimer, in favor of Jon Spaihts and C Robert Cargill, with the latter two having been rewriting the script for quite some time. While Spaihts and Cargill have had their misfires (The Darkest Hour and Sinister 2 respectively), those were heavily altered from their original scripts. Hopefully, they have done well with Doctor Strange.

Your thoughts?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54163: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:38:55 PM

Okay. Just thought enough time had passed that I could bring it up again.

At this point, never bring it up again. Ever.

I'll judge Doctor Strange when we have a trailer.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#54164: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:41:38 PM

Jesus, I'm a genuine fan of the series but there are times to bring that vid up and time to not to. You can't use a Cinema Sins vid as a citation for the movie's quality, that series is pretty much what Zero Punctuation is to video games, although not as harsh.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#54165: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:43:09 PM

I have hope that Dr. Strange will end up being pretty decent, at least. I think there's pretty much no question about how well Cumberbatch will likely do in the role, and the director has made some ok horror films in the past, but everything else is up in the air.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54166: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:43:41 PM

I like how the entire thread united to shut this down lmao.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#54167: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:49:26 PM

I'm sorry about earlier. It is a habit that happens to me.

Am I still accepted here?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#54168: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:49:50 PM

As long as you stop linking that video, then yes.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#54169: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:55:19 PM

When you want to criticize something in fiction, try to use your own goddamn logic and analysis instead of linking to someone else's work.

Also, I propose that anyone who links Cinema Sins vid on Age of Ultron get a virtual boot to the head.

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#54170: Mar 30th 2016 at 2:58:40 PM

Very well.

Anyways, back to Doctor Strange. Have any of you guys seen Sinister, which Cargill wrote before this film? What did you guys think of it, and does it give you any confidence for the film?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54171: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:05:46 PM

The main problem with Cinema sins is that they keep complaining over stuff which would have been clear to them if they had actually paid attention to the movie they are watching instead of being busy jotting down notes. This tendency is especially prominent in the Winter Soldier vid, because it was not made from a place of love, but the desire to take an acclaimed movie down a peg. There is no point in bringing it up again and again. The vid was garbage two years ago (even for Cinema Sins), and it certainly hasn't become less riddled with nonsensical complains since then.

Considering that the goal was to make the movie honest trailer proof, there really isn't much to complain about. It's just nitpicking.

Concerning Doctor Strange, the writing team is the one thing which gives me pause about the movie. My prediction for it is "the messy plot will be rescued by top-notch acting and impressive visuals". And if Marvel is smart, they take a page out of Deadpool's advertising book and market it for woman. Just tell them that Benedict Cumberbatch will be in some sort of epic bromance in this movie, and half of the Sherlock community will watch it - if for nothing else than to point out that his bromance with Watson is more epic.

edited 30th Mar '16 3:09:23 PM by Swanpride

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#54172: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:08:43 PM

I've watched every Cinemasins vid on MCU, but it's not that problematic. In Age of Ultron, however, it just gets ridiculous.

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#54173: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:10:31 PM

Wait, what did they say about Age of Ultron?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#54174: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:18:10 PM

I prefered Honest trailer, they point out flaws or weird things in a series without sound mean, hell they enjoy mad max as everyone else and yet they point out the plot is pretty much "mario kart in hell" or that tom harley barely have presene in the movie, is not bad....just there.

with cinema it always feel the counting is first and everything else second, which make them sound like a douchebag

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#54175: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:18:40 PM

There are times in Cinema Sins vid, like Sin #77 in the Mad Max: Fury Road one, he calls something or someone out as a sin for not being properly explained, even though there is an explanation within the movie.

Age of Ultrons vid had it particularly bad, like on why Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were fighitng the Avengers in the begining.

That said, the vid did have a valid point about how it had little to no sense of tension, despite the stakes being raised really high.

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