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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54076: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:19:54 PM

[up] It's for me like Iron Man...I think that the first act of Iron Man is great and engaging, the second still interesting, the third makes no sense, but overall, the movie works for me just fine.

And for me, the second season of Daredevil improved on a lot I didn't like in the first.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54077: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:25:55 PM

My issues with Daredevil season two are numerous and I don't really have the energy to go into them.

Most of them are laid out here, for the curious. (In hindsight I regret how short my Elektra post is, I might redo that one later.)

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54078: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:45:05 PM

[up][up][up]I liked the characters enough that I could forgive most of the flaws. Bernthal in particular.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54079: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:46:29 PM

The things I do have against Daredevil season 2 aren't a big enough deal to ruin my enjoyment of the whole thing.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54082: Mar 29th 2016 at 1:03:58 PM

Who the hell are Christian and Thomas?

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54085: Mar 29th 2016 at 1:24:03 PM

If it was good enough for Ultron and the Black Widows then it's good enough for Ameri- I mean, Tony Stark!

edited 29th Mar '16 1:24:15 PM by Tuckerscreator

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#54086: Mar 29th 2016 at 1:45:48 PM

In first phase: Iron man is good and have the best final fight there as you worry about Tony, Thor is good but Loki eat the movie, Hulk is....meh, and I dont remenber to well capitan america

Phase two: Iron man 2 is goddman awfull, Iron man 3 is actually good,Winter soldier is fucking awsome, Guardian of the galaxy is decent,Thor 2 is good but loki eat that movie, Antman is just generic and Ultron is bad

lets hope civil war get better.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54087: Mar 29th 2016 at 1:51:09 PM

I greatly enjoyed Season 2 of Devedaril.

As far as my complaints go, my biggest one is that Nobu, as a villain, is way more shallow and uninteresting than Fisk was in Season 1 (Granted, it'd be pretty hard to make a better villain than him). Similarly, the Hand as a whole feels like it really doesn't have any endgame or objective; they're just digging holes, draining blood, and fighting people... because evil?

The Punisher's subplot after the trial was completely disconnected from the whole Hand plot, pulling the narrative in two directions, and I feel like giving Punisher a singular character to focus his revenge on kinda defeats his whole point; he's supposed to be getting revenge on crime as a concept. It's like when people try to make Joe Chill into anything more than a random mugger. Also, while I like most of the dialogue scenes, Punisher's speech in Episode 4 at the graveyard was a little too long; I was eventually like "Okay, I get it, I understand why you're the way you are now, please move to the next scene."

I also would have liked to see more Father Lantom scenes, since those gave Matt an interesting character to talk morality with, but that's a relatively petty complaint.

Oh, and my biggest complaint is the sudden romance between Matt and Karen. Besides being a Romantic Plot Tumor, they have like zero chemistry or reason to start dating. I was glad when that subplot ended abruptly.

But good stuff, Elektra and Punisher were really interesting characters, it was nice to see more of Stick (I was worried he was gonna bite it at some point, glad to see he's still kicking) and they did a good job of showing his softer side without derailing his character. The fight choreography was even better than it was in season 1, and Episode 3's philosophical debate was really interesting.

You know what one scene I feel goes relatively unnoticed? The beginning of Episode 4, with the Irish mob going on a violent rampage to get back at Castle. Forget debating the morality of Punisher's vigilantism, that scene does a good job of illustrating the practical dangers of it; by using such violent, final means to try and put an end to the mob he inadvertently made the streets even less safe thanks to the remnant's aggressive, desperate response. Unless that's just another day in their life, but I felt like that scene was specifically meant to illustrate Newton's Third Law as applied to crime.

edited 29th Mar '16 1:53:30 PM by Anomalocaris20

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54088: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:07:22 PM

Yeah Matt and Karen were the most forced MCU romance since Scott and Hope. It didn't help that all of Matt's scenes with Elektra and Claire illustrated how lifeless the Karen stuff was by comparison.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54089: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:10:52 PM

I didn't mind Scott and Hope...at least I can imagine those two together. Matt and Karen though lacks any bit of chemistry. It was Bruce/Natasha all over again, only worse. And more cheesy. The scene in the rain is the worst thing they ever did on Daredevil.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54090: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:12:27 PM

Like, I don't like romance at all anyway, but good god that was bad even by the MCU's romantic standards.

The fact that Karen has more chemistry with an ex-mob goon and a deranged murderous vigilante than she does Matt is a testament to how dull and pointless those scenes were.

The only good thing is that, much like the similarly-stupid fling between Nat and Bruce, it ended. But hey, maybe the writers themselves realized it wasn't going to last and as such they deliberately wrote it badly since they're just incompatible.

edited 29th Mar '16 2:15:22 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#54091: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:13:56 PM

My theory is still that Hope and Scott bonded over mutual wanting to mess with Hank-ness

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#54092: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:16:05 PM

Was there any bad MCU movie? I feel that the movies were mediocre at the very worst.

I admire that.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54094: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:21:20 PM

I haven't seen Inedible Hulk so I can't judge it.

But yeah, even the "worst" films, Iron Man 2 and Thor 2, I still found enjoyable and entertaining, even if they were rather sloppy. I'm fairly easy to please as long as the fight scenes are still flashy and the humor is still gold (Both of which IM 2 and Thor 2 had no problems with).

My biggest gripe with both of them is that the villain felt wasted and underdeveloped. Vanko stole every scene he was in yet feels like he was just shoved into a disjointed plot that needed someone to play Final Boss, and Malekith was just a horrendously dull villain in an otherwise-good movie.

edited 29th Mar '16 2:23:21 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#54095: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:23:18 PM

I hated Iron Man 2 and Age of Ultron, but I would hardly call them bad.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54096: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:32:47 PM

Hope and Scott didn't bother me nearly as much as Karen and Matt or Bruce and Natasha, I just used it as an example because it felt forced to me. It comes out of nowhere near the very end of the movie and has very little build-up or foreshadowing. It seems like someone just said they should hook up because they knew they were gonna make Hope the new Wasp in the sequel, and Ant-Man and the Wasp are known for being a couple in the comics.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#54098: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:42:26 PM

Hope and Scott like everything in that movie are just plain generic, so my reaction to it is.....meh

And bad movies.....Thor 2 is ok but again, Loki steal it, now Iron man 2 is just useless, they overuse to much Robert jr for humor and the plotlines go nowhere, in my opinio I give it a 4/10

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54099: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:55:06 PM

As dull as TDW was it had enough good scenes to at least be worth the price of admission so it definitely wasn't bad. And all of the other films including TIH and IM 2 managed to have my full attention.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#54100: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:57:53 PM

@wack'd: I pretty much disagree with all of your gripes about Daredevil season 2 except your point about killing off Reyes.

They really didn't need to do that at all. :/


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