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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54051: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:07:29 AM

Pretty much. Even the Avengers has fallen on my list.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54052: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:07:31 AM

I think that would qualify both of them for topping Iron Man 1, honestly.

I don't really have the "More money = better film" mindset, tbh.

edited 29th Mar '16 10:07:51 AM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54053: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:09:20 AM

Yeah, if that was the case Deadpool would be the 4th best Marvel Comic movie after Avengers, Ao U and Iron Man 3.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54054: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:10:52 AM

Specifically, I think Iron Man 3 and Winter Solider are two of the best films Marvel has ever made, and Guardians of the Galaxy is, for all its faults (and there are many), super-entertaining and visually engaging and I could watch it a thousand times.

Also, I feel like Jessica Jones is Phase 2, and seeing as it is hands-down the best-ever non-comic thing ever to bare the Marvel branding, Phase 2 could win on that alone.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54055: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:12:36 AM

I don't want to count the tv shows when judging phases because all of them started in Phase 2, which is unbalanced.

edited 29th Mar '16 10:14:45 AM by VeryMelon

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#54056: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:12:46 AM

Phase 1: Iron Man 1 and The First Avenger are both good, the rest is mediocre.

Phase 2: Winter Soldier is excellent, Guardians of the Galaxy is pretty decent, Ant Man is ok, Iron Man 3 is a huge mixed bag that is ultimately underwhelming, haven't seen the rest.

I don't want to count the tv shows as phase 2, because all of them started in Phase 2 which is unbalanced.

I also consider the Netflix shows (well, Daredevil and JJ) to be their own thing. They don't really have the same constraints put on them that the movies do, so they can explore much darker themes and flesh out their characters much more meticulously.

edited 29th Mar '16 10:14:14 AM by wehrmacht

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#54057: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:13:05 AM

@comicwriter: I mean, both The Winter Soldier and GOTG are still pretty good movies, quality wise as well. *shrug*

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#54058: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:14:06 AM

Phase 1 faves: Captain America, Iron Man, The Avengers.

Phase 2 faves: Winter Soldier, Iron Man 3, Guardians of Galaxy, Ant-man, even Age of Ultron surprisingly.

So huh, no contest, it's Phase 2 for me.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54059: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:15:03 AM

I don't want to count the tv shows as phase 2, because all of them started in Phase 2 which is unbalanced.
Daredevil has one good season with a lot of glaring flaws, and we get a good episode out of Agents of SHIELD maybe once every five weeks. Really its only advantages quality-wise are Jones and Agent Carter.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54060: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:15:55 AM

I haven't finished Jessica Jones yet, but I'm close to being done and while I like that show it also has a number of glaring flaws already.

edited 29th Mar '16 10:16:47 AM by wehrmacht

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54061: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:17:39 AM

Detective Clemons shouldn't have died.

Besides that I am of the opinion that it's as close to perfect as it's possible to come. I have literally no other complaints about it.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54062: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:18:22 AM

Daredevil has one good season with a lot of glaring flaws, and we get a good episode out of Agents of SHIELD maybe once every five weeks. Really its only advantages quality-wise are Jones and Agent Carter.

This isn't about a quality debate, it's just not reasonable to include the TV shows in my opinion.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#54063: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:19:20 AM

I thought when you said "unbalanced" in the sense of the current conversation, not just in general, sorry.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54064: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:19:49 AM

It's fine, I'm glad you got what I meant.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#54065: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:24:58 AM

I feel like bringing in the show's would unbalance things and besides, I'm not sure they even follow the same phase structure.

Wack'd is right though, JJ is pretty great and Daredevil only has its first season to stand on. That would still balance things more in favor of Phase 2 nonetheless.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#54066: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:00:03 AM

In order of most to least favorite (note that even my least favorite is still above-average in my eyes): Age of Ultron, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier, Iron Man 3, Ant-Man, Iron Man 1, Thor 2, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#54067: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:23:29 AM

....I think Daredevil Season 2 is pretty good, honestly.

Like, Karen and Elektra and Frank Castle are all great, plus Charlie Cox still does a pretty good job as Daredevil. I liked that they expanded Brett Mahoney's character as well.

The only downside IMO is that Rosario Dawson is only in two episodes. Like seriously???

edited 29th Mar '16 11:56:25 AM by higherbrainpattern

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#54068: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:54:13 AM

I don't understand a lot of the complaints about season two. I liked it.

Crow: There's a plot?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54069: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:55:05 AM

There can never be enough Claire!

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#54070: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:59:23 AM

I find a lot of the praise for it to be really confusing so I guess we may have to agree to disagree. I said my piece in the thread and while I'm still reading the thread and reasons why people think it's great none of them really resonate for me. Or rather the bad/boring outweighs or overshadows the good.

edited 29th Mar '16 11:59:57 AM by MousaThe14

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54071: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:59:29 AM

I liked Season 2 a lot. The biggest flaws I had were that I think the Hand plot overstayed its welcome, and they never managed to come up with a new villain as good as Fisk. The final twist with Punisher was also stupid and unnecessary.

Still, Punisher and Elektra were both great.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#54072: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:01:52 PM

[up] I agree that the Blacksmith plot was just unnecessary. It didn't do anything very important, and I think it could have been done better.

Crow: There's a plot?
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#54073: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:04:35 PM

I think season 2 was great, even though I had my issues with it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54074: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:06:22 PM

First four episodes were outstanding! The following episodes were great! But once they brought in the Hand, it kind of fell apart.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#54075: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:11:08 PM

What Swanpride said. To summarize my original post the first four episodes were an excellent neat little plot and after that they got lost trying to justify the rest of the material creating a slog to sit through, stringing together fight scene after fight scene and amazing little moment after amazing little moment.

It's seems almost everyone is acknowledging the exact same flaws but for some reason for sone it makes the season poor and for others it doesn't matter because apparently overall it's great or something to that effect.

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