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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54001: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:42:35 PM

My main problems with the Earth in Thor 1 are basically because of what Known Unknown has described. I never really had a problem with the idea of Thor going to Earth because there's a lot of potential there for good storytelling.

I should probably watch Dark World sometime just to see if and how they've improved the Earth scenes.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54002: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:51:19 PM

I count Thor 1 and 2 along with IM 2, 3 and IH as the most forgettable MCU movies. Aside from some jokes, Hopkins going ham as Odin and Loki I can't really tell you anything about scenes in them or the way the movies were built. I would probably fall asleep if I tried to rewatch them once more.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#54003: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:52:09 PM

Also, I think people dosent like earth chararter because it feel like the standar Marvel side chararter: just go there flying around the main chararter saying funny quirky and Snarky thing but having not sustance, In my case I dont like Thor 1 because his arc isn that compelling, is too much centric on him and the theme of ruleship seen absence, is pretty much "Jerkjock have to learn to not be such a dick while gaining a hot chick from Earth" comparing that to Loki and is identity crisis and what it come to it, Thor arc feel like weaker version of tony.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54004: Mar 28th 2016 at 2:08:18 PM

They're not the exact same thing, but yes the similarities of "manchild learns responsibility and becomes a better person" were noticeable enough. Hemsworth tries and he's not a bad actor by any means but I just don't think he has the charisma power that RDJ has where he can carry a lot of the movie on his shoulders alone. As we've gone over Thor's arc feels unengaging because the movie grinds to a halt with his scenes down there, the characters themselves are incredibly boring and it's mostly just a bland mandatory superhero romance rather than anything actually interesting. If the characters on Earth were actually good and Thor building relationships with them engaging the movie would actually work.

edited 28th Mar '16 2:08:48 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54005: Mar 28th 2016 at 2:30:43 PM

I have three problems with tying Thor 2 back to earth. As I explained, it creates an unnecessary problem. The whole "where are the other avengers" thing wouldn't even be an issue if the final battle happens anywhere else. It is also a missed opportunity for us to get to know Thor's world through Jane's eyes (which would certainly be a better use of her character than shoehorning her in by her literally stumbling over the Aether). The third issue I didn't mention is that the earth scenes are dissonant, interrupt the pacing of the movie and add an entirely unnecessary storyline. (Plus, if you see my article about the biggest mistakes of phase 1, well, I listed Doctor Selvig there...not because I don't like the character, but because I feel that his character is sidelining Jane, which is a large reason why the romance doesn't really work).

[up] Honestly, I am kind of impressed with him considering how badly written Thor is it is a miracle that there is charisma at all.

edited 28th Mar '16 2:31:58 PM by Swanpride

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#54006: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:02:10 PM

[up][up]And those diference are significant, with Tony you see their arrognce and "I play solo" come to bite him plenty of times(well except Iron man 2 but that is a BAD movie) Thor dosent look arrogant and neither threat other badly, he just....really like to punch, and that flaw disapear in the moment he reach Earth, so it looks like jerkjock who learn something after having vacations.

[up]Because Thor have a upbeat personality and Chris manage to shine well.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54007: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:08:56 PM

Is anything in this all new?

edited 28th Mar '16 3:13:03 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54008: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:29:07 PM

It was posted a few days ago. There's only very brief new snippets like that split second of War Machine pointing his repulsors at Cap and Panther and the stinger of Black Widow fighting Hawkeye.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#54009: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:29:26 PM

[up][up] Most of the footage is from the very first trailer...the only "new" stuff is the brief scene with Hawkeye and Black Widow in the end, though that was already in the international trailer. Nothing new, overall, aside perhaps from the brief moment of Tony sitting at the table.

edited 28th Mar '16 3:29:38 PM by Swanpride

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#54010: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:36:42 PM

Kinda late to the discussion, but my problem with Earth in Thor 1 is that the only Earth we saw was the boring desert part of New Mexico.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#54011: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:41:56 PM

So Widow finally puts on some body armor....and it is only on her feet and her chest is unzipped. If she gets shot, it's going to be her own fault. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#54012: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:59:01 PM

Looks like it's on the arms too.

edited 28th Mar '16 5:59:46 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54013: Mar 28th 2016 at 6:26:44 PM

I still can't get over how pastede on her hed looks.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54015: Mar 28th 2016 at 7:24:28 PM

I don't really see why they feel all this shopping is necessary.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54017: Mar 28th 2016 at 7:50:13 PM

I have not heard of/seen this but given the treatment they routinely subject Johansson to I'm not surprised to hear of it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54018: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:00:38 PM

Pretty much every character looks messed up in the Civil War promo art. She got slimmed down unnecessarily in the Winter Soldier promo art, but Falcon looked even more messed up. Tiny legs compared to huge torso at a back-breaking angle.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:01:45 PM by AlleyOop

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#54019: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:11:11 PM

There's also the first Avengers poster where Steve is a giant, and the second where there are more giants and they're standing on some weird slanted mountain.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54020: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:13:44 PM

Thankfully it looks like the main Civil War promo image is just Cap and Tony facing off against each other for now. Hard to screw up the proportions at that zoom, I should hope.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#54021: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:16:12 PM

So after watching Batman vs Superman, the first thought I had when walking out of the theatre was:

"Man. Nothing's gonna stand in MCU's way."

Longer planning and quality control sure have their quirks. XP

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#54023: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:17:51 PM

Jury's not quite out yet on that one. Bv S was underwhelming and messy, but Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and the other films that Snyder isn't in charge of and just producing could be good still.

Let's hope DC REALLY steps up their game from this point on.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:18:58 PM by wehrmacht

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#54024: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:19:47 PM

Not leaving your franchise in the hands of Zack "thinks he can shittalk Ant-Man when he made Sucker Punch" Snyder probably also helps. Anyway, of the two big hero vs hero films Marvel definitely won this year, but the DCCU's other films might be good. And I should hope so, lest Marvel Studios get too complacent.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:21:12 PM by AlleyOop

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#54025: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:19:58 PM

Yeah, I hope so too.

Nothing against MCU, it's just that I just get cautious whenever any franchise steamrolls with no competitors.

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