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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#53951: Mar 27th 2016 at 11:57:04 PM

The Winter Soldier I think struck the right balance between quips for relief amidst heavy tension. Fury's car chiming in that "air conditioning is fully operational" still hammered in just how screwed he was at the moment, as was Falcon's "had to take a detour!" or "forty-first floor!"

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#53952: Mar 28th 2016 at 2:24:47 AM

Do the quips break the tension of action scenes or do they make the scenes more real and have more weight? Personally, I'm solidly on the latter, but this is a conversation that we've had a lot, and it never really goes anywhere. (by the way, though, how does "I'm bringing the party to you" ~cue reveal of leviathan~ "I don't see how that's a party" indicates a drop in IQ? Not everyone is always on point, nor does everyone always want to be. Sometimes half-assing sarcasm is fine.)

edited 28th Mar '16 2:40:20 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53953: Mar 28th 2016 at 2:30:53 AM

I think it depends on the character. There are certain quips which only fit certain characters. It also depends on the situation. Ie when Natasha and Steve discuss that they might be forced to destroy the floating city with everyone on it, they aren't quipping. Nor does anyone make a joke over Quicksilver's dead body.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53954: Mar 28th 2016 at 2:38:08 AM

Also, most of the jokes in the farm scene are 'sad clown' comedy while they're recovering from Scarlet Witch's whammys.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#53955: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:32:09 AM

Thor's flailing about the Gates of Hel was amazing, though, and I will accept no argument against it.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53956: Mar 28th 2016 at 6:05:23 AM

Yeah, best joke in the film.

The way Banner breaks down and Thor just goes "...was it something I said?" is fantastic.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#53957: Mar 28th 2016 at 7:41:15 AM

Jokes are fine, but there's a time and place for everything. Sometimes they also feel like a crutch to make up for how weak certain films are.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53958: Mar 28th 2016 at 7:53:41 AM

Well, for me the worst jokes were thor saying "I dont know what much to said" while distracting Ultron, Hawkeye discusing about his home IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE and Ultron "In retrospective" each of this manage to drop the threating level of the situation to pretty much zero, which make Ultron killing Quicksilver come as out of the blue. he looks he just got lucky.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53959: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:13:42 AM

What people need to realize is that Age of Ultron and Civil War are done by two completely different creative teams with two completely different storytelling styles.

For better or for worse, throwing in jokes in the middle of serious moments is kinda Joss Whedon's whole thing. Winter Soldier and The First Avenger, while having jokes, generally left them out of the more serious bits.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53960: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:38:14 AM

[up]Even them the jokes are pretty much part of MCU as whole, like Thor 2, Iron man 3 or Antman, so far the only movies without jokes in the final fight are Iron 2(since in two short) Winter soldier(by most serious tone) and funny thing is, Guardian of the galaxy.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53961: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:01:03 AM

[up] Winter Soldier has jokes in the final fight...but they happening around Falcon and not during the big climatic fight between Cap and Bucky where they certainly don't belong. Got G has jokes, too, but they are less quips and more born out of the situation...like Peter's "They got my dick message" and Groot smiling in the camera after killing a bunch of expandable henchmen.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#53962: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:01:40 AM

I want to see Civil War in theaters but I don't think I have the money for it anymore. Kinda unfortunate, but I guess that'll give me something to look forward to if I hear it ends up being as good as I hope.

I'm not really worried about the movie at all since Winter Soldier juggled a lot of things very competently and was genuinely a pretty great film, so I have high hopes.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53963: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:35:41 AM

[up] what fills me with confidence more than anything else is that Marvel is obviously not concerned about bad reviews. They will screen the movie pretty early and release it in different markets to different times. (I am currently thinking about buying a ticket for the pre-premiere, which is in exactly one month....nearly 20 Euro, but it might be worth it....)

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53964: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:39:50 AM

Have Marvel ever actually released a movie at the same time world wide? I remember having to shut up almost a month here for the Avengers.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53966: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:54:30 AM

Ok, I have noticed something: marvel fans like to talk how dark DC is and al the stuff, but after watching Avenger again I noticed how dark everything get after that.

-Loki was stoped and Fury said he will be punished....one movie latter, BLAM he is fucking king of asgard, tricking everyone YET again

-Shield stands....wait not, it was Hydra all alone and Bucky was there as their weapon

-we have new avenger like falcon,Wanda and warmachine...and they are going to beat each other now, with huge posibilities someone dies from this fight

And of course, this isnt counting things like Hulk runing away, Wanda being easly forgiven, Im not saying is depresing or anything but Marvel fans since to understimed how dark is everything now.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53967: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:20:10 AM

No, Marvel never did...ie they like to release the Thor movie in Australia first, because they have a good chance that this will create a positive buzz.

And I have always said that Marvel is way more serious than people give it credit for. Despite all the jokes, it already dealt with PTSD, Terrorism, Security v personal freedom aso. I personally consider the Captain America franchise the best, not just because it is the most political of them all, but because it has the worst consequences, especially on a personal level. Steve decides to fight for his country because he feels that he can't do less and he ends up disconnected from everything he knew. He then has trouble to adjust to civilian live, realizes that the organisation he is fighting for is corrupt and is forced to take it down, even though it is the life work of the woman he loves. He is forced to fight Bucky because million of lives are at stake, but once he has done what he needed to do for "the greater good", he just stops fighting, allowing Bucky to hurt him badly simply because he is his friend.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53968: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:20:59 AM

The difference between Marvel and DC is that, where darkness is concerned, Marvel picks its moments. They seem to realize that darkness means more with light around it.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53969: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:23:42 AM

New Civil War promo pic.

Bucky was always looking out for him when Steve was a smaller weak kid who needed direction and guidance,” Stan says. “Steve’s become the caretaking parent and Bucky is more of an unstable child now — someone who’s really struggling to have more of a sense of identity and is totally lost and confused with who he is.

His comment about pre-war Bucky being a father figure to Steve makes a lot more sense with this in mind. Still kind of a weird way to look at things, especially since the implication I got from Bucky in the other two movies was that he was one of the few people to not look down on Steve all that much, relatively speaking, but it makes it a more dramatic role reversal.

Also a lot of people on Tumblr are unsurprisingly in uproar over this, because their former fave just crossed the Moral Event Horizon by not wearing his Shipping Goggles as tightly as other people. Time to bring out the popcorn.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53971: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:34:04 AM

Probably better posted in the Politics thread.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53972: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:35:12 AM

We were already discussing it in here the other day.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53973: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:36:32 AM

Still, the overall issue is about the bill. Pretty off-topic if you ask me.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53974: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:39:35 AM

[up][up] [up][up][up]But didn't they also say that the movie is basically a romance between those two characters?

edited 28th Mar '16 11:40:03 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53975: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:50:22 AM

[up][up]IMO the bill itself doesn't even need to be discussed. Just the fact that Marvel helped get the governor to make the correct decision.


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