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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#53552: Mar 20th 2016 at 5:52:54 PM

Explains why they eventually gave him a longer one.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#53553: Mar 20th 2016 at 5:53:56 PM

 It would definitely be interesting to see how a bird clone of Thomas Edison would translate to a movie. 

A live action version of that has a good chance of either being Narm Charm or straight up Nightmare Fuel.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53554: Mar 20th 2016 at 5:56:42 PM

Stuff like that is why I think Kamala should get an animated series instead of live action.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53555: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:02:31 PM

Is a bird clone of Thomas Edison any stupider than having a talking raccoon with a machine gun being one of your leads?

As long as you make sure it fits the tone of the movie and makes sense within the context of the story, you can get away with anything. I would imagine a Ms. Marvel movie would be less serious than the Avengers or Cap movies anyway, given that a lot of her book runs on Rule of Funny.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53556: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:07:42 PM

[up]Honestly? Yes, I think it is stupider. Not so much the bird part though. I think it's the Thomas Edison part that would turn most people off.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53557: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:15:49 PM

If nobody balked at JFK being assassinated for being a mutant, no one's gonna balk at Thomas Edison being a parakeet.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53558: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:19:40 PM

That was a throwaway line. It's not quite the same as this character being the main antagonist of a movie.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53559: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:25:06 PM

First Class and Days of Future Past rope in a ton of historical allusions, though, such that it's basically an alternate history with superheroes. Isn't that the problem with Edison? That he's a famous historical figure?

I mean, audiences came out for Abraham Lincoln fighting vampires.

edited 20th Mar '16 6:25:17 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53560: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:30:19 PM

I think the problem is that taking a historical figure and making them a villainous bird is a really out there idea. It would be like having Iron Man fight a robot with Henry Ford's brain.

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#53561: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:31:46 PM

I'd watch it.

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#53562: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:36:16 PM

I'd be on board with Thomas Edison as a bad guy and a bird as a bad guy, but both in the same character seems the kind of bizarre silver age (or silver age-inspired, in this case) that is hard to do in a move without making the entire thing a farce.

Henry Ford's brain inside a Diesel Punk Iron man suit however I am fully on board with.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#53563: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:40:52 PM

 Is a bird clone of Thomas Edison any stupider than having a talking raccoon with a machine gun being one of your leads? 
Rocket is why I said Narm Charm instead of just Narm, i have faith they could pull it off.

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#53564: Mar 20th 2016 at 6:44:45 PM

Thomas Edison DNA just explains why the Inventor can build giant robots and why he's such a jerk.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53565: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:10:49 PM

I'd be on board with Thomas Edison as a bad guy and a bird as a bad guy, but both in the same character seems the kind of bizarre silver age (or silver age-inspired, in this case) that is hard to do in a move without making the entire thing a farce.

Agreed. It's too cartoon-y for general audiences to accept.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#53566: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:28:56 PM

There was a man-duck named Howard onscreen a few summers ago. And this summer we're getting a very tiny guy riding an arrow.

edited 20th Mar '16 7:29:13 PM by Tuckerscreator

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53567: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:41:31 PM

Space Alien that looks like a duck in space, and earth technology. Those are both way different that Edison cloned as a bird and turned evil.

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#53568: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:47:44 PM

It would just be Edison as a bird. No 'turning evil' necessary, considering who's being turned into the bird.

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#53569: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:49:32 PM

Thomas Edison was already evil, though.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#53570: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:52:15 PM

I don't get how cloning gone wrong is weirder than some of the other things in the MCU.

edited 20th Mar '16 7:53:06 PM by Cross

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#53571: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:58:05 PM

The question we should be asking isn't 'why would a cloned Thomas Edison be part bird?', the question is 'why would anyone want to clone Thomas Edison into the modern day?'

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#53572: Mar 20th 2016 at 7:58:32 PM

To prove Tesla was better, of course.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#53573: Mar 20th 2016 at 8:02:13 PM

....Since when is Loki is a nerd? Loki's an arrogant shitbag who basically makes Odin go into Odinsleep and then implements his schemes to take over.

And he's plenty physically strong in The Avengers and Thor: The Dark World. So, not at all like the "high school nerd" comparison at all.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#53574: Mar 20th 2016 at 8:06:30 PM

Well, he's physically weak for an Asgardian. That still puts him on a higher tier than humans and even Captain America.

Not that I care much for the analogy.

edited 20th Mar '16 8:06:46 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#53575: Mar 20th 2016 at 8:16:20 PM

Compared to his normal portrayal of 'so much weaker that Thor could explode him into giblets with one hit', he seems to be significantly closer in the MCU, taking his and Thor's short scuffle in The Avengers as any indication of his strength.


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