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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#53476: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:30:56 AM

Didn't Cox say he wanted to see Stilt Man on Daredevil?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53477: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:30:59 AM

to bad that it isn't a little bit bigger...I can't barely read the names.

They covered the majority, though. But Stiltman is a big omission

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#53478: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:31:16 AM

Stiltman was on there.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53479: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:31:50 AM

[up]I was talking about the show...they have done most of those on the list.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#53480: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:32:24 AM

Oh right, sorry. I kinda wish they'd put a real version of the Owl on the show.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53481: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:34:22 AM

The ones not in the show yet(from what I know since I haven't watched S2 yet) from the picture:

  • Bullseye
  • The Hand
  • Typhoid Mary
  • Maya Lopez/Echo
  • Mister Fear
  • Lady Bullseye
  • Tarantula
  • Stilt Man
  • The Enforcers
  • Sister Murdock
  • Kirsten Mc Duffie
  • Blindspot

Edit: An article compared greenscreen photos to how it looks in the final movie and there were two MCU pictures from Avengers and gotg.

edited 19th Mar '16 10:40:26 AM by LordofLore

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53482: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:52:37 AM

Even given that they kinda-sorta have access to Spidey's cast now, would they ever use The Enforcers in Daredevil?

edited 19th Mar '16 10:53:00 AM by KnownUnknown

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#53483: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:11:36 PM

Just finished season 2 of Daredevil. Great as usual. I appreciate that they despicted the Punisher with more of a gentle/sympathetic side. Nowadays thanks to morons like Garth Ennis (no offense intended to any of his fans), I have a hard time imagining him as anything else than a combination of everything wrong with Nineties Anti-Heroes and the most obnoxious application ever of Muggles Do It Better. It's good to see a version of the character I actually liked for a change.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53484: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:18:56 PM

Garth Ennis is far from a moron, and is actually probably one of the smarter writers to handle the character. He gets the inherent problems with the concept and then has fun with it.

edited 19th Mar '16 4:19:09 PM by comicwriter

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#53485: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:22:34 PM

[up]Sorry, that was a bit harsh of me. You probably guessed it, but I am not a fan of the guy. I am sure he is not really an idiot, but... let's just say the way he inserts his ideas in comics pisses me off. A lot of what I heard about it gives me the impression he is doing Hate Fics that got published.

edited 19th Mar '16 4:23:44 PM by Theokal3

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53486: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:24:29 PM

And yet you were the one to get super heated when people were making fun of Millar's writing on Civil War. (I kid I kid [lol])

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53487: Mar 19th 2016 at 4:56:47 PM

Ennis's best work is with the Punisher, yeah, because he is excellent with the Black Comedy, over-the-top violence and generally bloody grim nature of the series. But he does veer into problems with some frequency. His hatred for basically everyone who isn't the Punisher in the Marvel universe tends to bleed through. Another issue of his is that, as our tvtropes page mention it, he tends to make villains "worth the bullet" (and Ennis has almost made Complete Monster into an artform), but as a side-effect his villains tend to be a bit one-note and rely a lot on shock value rather than actual emotional depth, And because all the villains are thoroughly loathsome Castle rarely gets to actually gripe with the moral ambiguity of his actions when Ennis's in charge. Ennis's general prejudices sometimes bleed through as well.

The netflix Punisher, amusingly, goes out of its way to differentiate from Ennis's take on the character and harken back to Castle's earlier portrayals. Namely in that Punisher is a lot more human and fallible in the show than he is in Ennis's stories, where the character's specific point is that he is a emotionally dead machine of slaughter. Netflix-Castle actually cries, screams, and seems actually highly vulnerable to both the war and the loss of his family and more human in the sense of not being quite as unstoppable as his comic self (as befitting of Netflix's more realistic heroism).

Namely there's the fact Ennis's work on the Punisher often raised the implication that the death of his family was just an excuse for him to go out on a killing spree and he was always kind of a bloodthirsty psycho, while the Netflix series seems to take a more sympathetic view on the man.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#53488: Mar 19th 2016 at 7:32:05 PM

It'll be interesting to see how Civil War plays out, and if it will indeed be as good as the people are saying it is. Maybe it'll finally silence stuff this.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53489: Mar 19th 2016 at 7:35:23 PM

Marvel doesn't need to worry one bit about what DC is doing, so I'm not really getting where the image is coming from.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#53490: Mar 19th 2016 at 8:23:18 PM

Basically, it's stating how much more "sophisticated" DC is when it comes to who's working on them. Plus, Chris Terrio wrote the Oscar winning film Argo, whereas Marvel hasn't really gotten a writer that good ever.

edited 19th Mar '16 8:23:27 PM by LDragon2

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#53491: Mar 19th 2016 at 8:28:04 PM

So?

Marvel movies are doing great

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#53492: Mar 19th 2016 at 8:29:36 PM

the script might end up being pretty good overall but there are some narmier bits still like lex describing the premise of the movie.

civil war will probs be pretty good

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53493: Mar 19th 2016 at 8:38:57 PM

[up][up][up]That shouldn't mean anything. Marvel's already proven themselves multiple times. DC only has Man of Steel and that movie got a mixed reception.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53494: Mar 19th 2016 at 8:56:56 PM

Well define succeful screenwriter. Winter Soldier, Civil War, First Avenger, and Infinity War all have Christopher Markus and Stephen Mc Feely as main screenwriters, and both have very well-received movies under their belt, chiefly in the Chronicles of Narnia franchise and, more "artistically", the Life and Death of Peter Sellers, which is pretty outstandingly well-received (controversies about Historical Hero Upgrade aside).

Ant-Man had Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish (Shaun of the Dead, Scott Pilgrim, Attack on the Block, The Adventures of Tintin)

Hell, even Iron Man 1 had Markus Fergus and Hawk Ostby, who worked on the critically acclaimed Children of Men, for which they received a nomination for best adapted screenplay in the academy awards.

edited 19th Mar '16 8:57:17 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#53495: Mar 19th 2016 at 9:18:21 PM

Just finished Daredevil. I'm pretty satisfied.

Crow: There's a plot?
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#53496: Mar 19th 2016 at 9:48:51 PM

And now, for something completely different: T'challa and T'chaka. How to pronounce? And did I spell them right?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53497: Mar 19th 2016 at 9:51:07 PM

I always heard it pronounced Tchala (T as in trembling, ch and is ketchup, and alla as in galla), and Tchaka (T as in trembling, ch as in ketchup and aka as in ahkah)

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53498: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:17:29 PM

In the Avengers TV show it was pronounced "Tuh-Chah-Luh".

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53499: Mar 19th 2016 at 10:24:58 PM

@L Dragon 2

Stop taking /tv/ so seriously. They're shitposters, the lot of them. At this point most people including even hardcore DC fans can accept that Marvel (or at least the Russos) can handle serious plots just fine. Hell, hop one board over to /co/ and it's covered in posts praising the "based Russos".

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53500: Mar 20th 2016 at 12:58:25 AM

For the MCU, it doesn't really matter what DC does or doesn't do. The question is always what the fans will do. As long as Marvel delivers, they will flock to the movies or TV shows. That won't change just because DC suddenly starts to make good movies again (if their output even is any good...as far as I can tell, the reactions to Bv S are mixed).

Also, both companies have hired a lot of talent. Let's be real here, one of the reasons Warner can even score those high-prolific people is because Marvel made it kind of en vogues to be cast in a superhero movie. It is no longer embarrassing to take those roles because those movies are no longer the schlock feasts they used to be. Instead it is a great exposure.


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