TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#53376: Mar 16th 2016 at 6:24:48 PM

Admittedly, some of it is pretty silly, but it's pretty well written in many areas.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#53377: Mar 16th 2016 at 9:07:39 PM

I'm still confused as the canon are handled.

The movies are canon in the series, but the series are doubtful.

They aren't canon, but neither are non-canon.

edited 16th Mar '16 9:09:34 PM by dantecito

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53378: Mar 16th 2016 at 9:13:01 PM

I think the series are canon until proven otherwise, really. Though the Netflix series' canon seem to be pretty safe in that regard, since they're kinda in their own little corner doing their thing, so there's not much of a chance of contradictions for them.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#53379: Mar 16th 2016 at 9:32:20 PM

Well, the Series of Netflix are basically the vertigo of MCU.

  • Quote of Exiled from Continuity:
    • "While they were technically in DCU continuity, and made token appearances there every now and then, they were not allowed to make any significant DCU guest appearances because their series/stories were too dark and mature to risk some innocent kid picking up an issue of Hellblazer after a Hellblazer/ Superman crossover. "

  • While on the other hand, Alias ended up being an example of Canon Welding.

edited 16th Mar '16 9:40:45 PM by dantecito

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53380: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:07:17 PM

I am "It just keeps getting better and better" boat. There are two things I appreciate about Ao S:

1. It is very good when it comes to subverting annoying tropes. For example the whole love-triangle nonsense. I HATE that. Or the concept of a redemption story. In Ao S there are people who simple aren't redeemable. It also tends to avoid the quick fix. What the characters experience has usually long-term consequences.

2. Most of the time it is utterly unpredictable, yet very carefully plotted. If there is a twist, it doesn't feel like a cheap ploy added for drama, but something which was set up in advance. This week's episode did especially well in this regard. It was a constant "didn't see that coming" - even though there were enough hints that I should have.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53381: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:25:54 PM

[up]Really? because the whole Fitz,Jemma,Will seen to be that: a romantic triangle made so they can throw more sweet angst to that ship as posible.

And about reedeem I think you talk about ward, that is true but they take too long to finally said everything about the chararter.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53382: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:30:05 PM

Really? because the whole Fitz,Jemma,Will seen to be that: a romantic triangle made so they can throw more sweet angst to that ship as posible.
Except that love triangle was pretty much the opposite of any other love triangle I've seen - Fitz was jealous, sure, but that didn't stop him from genuinely wanting to help Will or understanding Simmons' feelings. And Simmons felt so badly for falling in love with someone else because she knew that Fitz loved her, too (and she loves him). And Will was also genuinely a good guy. (Of course, he was also super dead at the time.)

And about reedeem I think you talk about ward, that is true but they take too long to finally said everything about the chararter.
Nah, they pretty much said right from the first season that he was never going to be redeemed. And then reconfirmed it in Season 2 when Skye shot him four times. (Which will never not be awesome.)

edited 16th Mar '16 10:31:34 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53383: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:35:41 PM

I especially loved the episode in which the whole team came together again and Ward had his big speech and all the characters said "nope, we still won't forgive you" (and really, why should they?). And just to put the point across again, the writer's blow up the bus immediately after, just to clarify that the show will never move backwards, but always forward.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53384: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:36:56 PM

Skye: I'm still happy I shot you.
Fitz: Me too.
Simmons: You should have aimed for the face.
May: Yeah.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53385: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:50:22 PM

"Except that love triangle was pretty much the opposite of any other love triangle I've seen"

Maybe but for me was just other thing to throw drama and angst to that couple, Fitz try to be jelous on him and even read his story but them said there is nothing, the guy is just that such nice guy and Jemma said he shoudn do that...and...well, is just more of "Being fitzxsimmos is suffering" at this point they have much change of being couple as peter parker of being happy: next to never

" they pretty much said right from the first season that he was never going to be redeemed"

I wasnt taking about that, I was taking about WHY, the episode where he shound Coulson girlfriend was pretty much a study of Ward grant and why he does the thing he does, while it dosent excuse anything(after all he start the episode killing a woman a cold blood) they didnt just reduce him to "he is asshole and we are the hero", they actually point why is villian(his inhability to acept fault after he push his brother in a well), my only complain is that it take waaaay to long and ward end doing nothing until the very end of the mid season.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53386: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:55:03 PM

[up] And to me it was a wonderful commentary how f... up stories are in which two people end up isolated and in danger. Usually this is the set-up for some epic love story. But in Ao S there was never any doubt that Jemma's feeling for Will were born out of the situation, while her feelings for Fitz grew over time and are way more profound as a result. And yet, you can't expect her to be able to simply "get over it" when she comes back.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53387: Mar 16th 2016 at 10:59:54 PM

[up]it depend, for me a love triangle is nothing more that a way to crate drama and angst since someone is left out as result and while the result here is somewhat atypical the end is the same: drama and angst.

Also is hard to said is diferent since Fitz Xsimmons have been hit hard before, between him declaring his feeling before exploting the container, his brain damange, her going undercover as hydra operative and the distance between the two, this is just another brick in the wall.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#53388: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:11:18 PM

I'll admit I only watched the first few episodes of Ao S, but if I had kept up with it, I would've dropped it as soon as Skye got super powers. Because for me, it defeated the whole purpose of the show: watching ordinary, human SHIELD agents deal with the things that weren't quite big enough to justify calling in the superheroes.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53389: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:14:10 PM

[up]Well, Skye is VERY diferent now, to the point it look almost a diferent chararter(for example her hacking skill and barely used now, everyone call her daisy and the whole rising tide....well, somebody remenber them?)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53390: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:42:15 PM

(for example her hacking skill and barely used now, everyone call her daisy and the whole rising tide....well, somebody remenber them?)
She's changed a lot, but is still fundamentally the same character. She used her hacking skills in the Season 2 finale and she mentioned the Rising Tide...I believe in Season 3 somewhere. I think she's still has Rising Tide contacts or something.

[up][up] I understand why you think that, but that's also weird because there were so many complaints in the first season about how nobody with superpowers showed up. I mean, the show was always a spy show and remains a spy show, despite the superpowers, so I'm not really seeing that big a deal. And the fact remains that the characters go up against bigger and bigger opponents, ones with superpowers themselves, so having no superpowers on their team would be a problem.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#53391: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:44:28 PM

She mentioned her hacker team in last week's episode.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#53392: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:51:44 PM

I'm not sure what about the Suicide Squad movie precludes Katana from being a superhero in it, either.

For starters, the Suicide Squad are not heroes.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53393: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:52:32 PM

Katana doesn't appear to be on the Suicide Squad itself, judging from the trailers.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53394: Mar 16th 2016 at 11:56:49 PM

Actually, having power means SHIELD is super hero thing now? I meant they are spies but now they are facing more and more threat now, dosent it?

Making a diferent between SHIELD and the Avenger is weird here because the latter come from the former.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53395: Mar 17th 2016 at 3:11:21 AM

[up][up]She's the bodyguard of the guy(and military troops) in command of the team so she sorta is.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53396: Mar 17th 2016 at 7:07:15 AM

You know how Marvel likes to add old comics to their digital store based on how the MCU is doing(old Punisher issues being uploaded weeks before the S2 reveal etc)? They've been adding a lot of old The Man Called Nova issues and Nova classic collections the last two weeks for some reason. Could be related to Stallone maybe being a Nova centurion in the vol 2 movie like the rumors and photos seem to point to or a sign they're going to be bringing in Richard Rider to the MCU later.

edited 17th Mar '16 9:27:34 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53397: Mar 17th 2016 at 7:13:28 AM

Might be a bit of a stretch.

She's the bodyguard of the guy(and military troops) in command of the team so she sorta is.
For starters, the Suicide Squad are not heroes.

The Suicide Squad has had superheroes in it from Day 1. The original team was a mixture of criminals and killers like Deadshot and Captain Boomerang and actual superheroes like Vixen and Nightshade. Katana being a bodyguard or the Token Good Teammate doesn't preclude her from being a superhero.

edited 17th Mar '16 7:16:25 AM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53398: Mar 17th 2016 at 7:18:21 AM

I actually meant that she is a superhero while also being a bodyguard. She's there to protect and save people voluntary which already makes her a hero compared to the anti-villains and anti-heroes of the current squad and she has a sword that sucks souls so she's a superhero by any any definition.

edited 17th Mar '16 7:23:56 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53399: Mar 17th 2016 at 7:36:11 AM

If Stallone is a Nova I hope we get a sweet Judge Dredd joke.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53400: Mar 17th 2016 at 7:38:25 AM

Part of the concept art for gotg1 when Nova was a part of the movie had different versions of the helmet with one really looking like a Judge rip off IIRC.

Edit: Finn Jones(Loras Tyrell on GOT) confirmed as Iron Fist. What GOT actor hasn't gotten a role in a cinematic universe yet?

He’s a billionaire New York Buddhist monk martial arts superhero This sounds like Tony describing him.

edited 17th Mar '16 7:45:05 AM by LordofLore


Total posts: 186,763
Top