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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53351: Mar 16th 2016 at 2:31:03 PM

She most likely used the more narrow definition of a "character with powers who fights for the good". She is also a main character, and not someone who turns up once in a while in some show.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53352: Mar 16th 2016 at 3:48:30 PM

Except those three were caveats that were additional to the main things: 1) you have superpowers or 2) you are on a superteam. Daisy has superpowers and she's trying to assemble a superteam, meaning she is a superhero.

So you're saying that regardless of the actual genre caveats or who they are as characters (since as you say those things are apparently irrelevant in Skye's case), if one has superpowers or is on a team of people that have superpower they're automatically a superhero?

I ask because you've actually already made a very good case for saying that Skye isn't a superhero, but a spy with superpowers, because of the genre she's in and what she does with those powers. If those things are out, it opens up a fairly large can of worms as to who is a superhero and who isn't.

edited 16th Mar '16 3:51:48 PM by KnownUnknown

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#53353: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:03:57 PM

Superherodom is arbitrary in its classification, so arguing over it is stupid and pointless.

Chloe Bennet likely meant it in the way Swanpride described, and that's all there is too it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53354: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:09:32 PM

One thing for sure, if CW can claim that they had the first Superheroine as a lead despite Agent Carter being the first show out of the gate with the "she doesn't have powers" argument, than Ao S can claim to have the only Asian-American Superheroine. Fair is fair.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53355: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:16:41 PM

Who on CW was the first female superhero lead?

But on that level, I don't think that's the same thing. Peggy isn't a superhero, I wouldn't say, even if it's a show set in the Marvel Universe. I wouldn't classify Coulson as a superhero either.

Like I said previously, I seriously doubt it was Bennett trying to make an ultra specific argument about what constitutes being a superhero, she probably just isn't aware of Katana, which is fine. Her statement was incorrect but I doubt there was any malice behind it.

edited 16th Mar '16 4:19:27 PM by comicwriter

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53356: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:19:47 PM

Supergirl. You know, that show that no-one remembers exists despite starring freakin' SUPERGIRL.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53357: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:20:39 PM

Uh, Supergirl's on CBS.

(which let's be honest is why no one online remembers it)

edited 16th Mar '16 4:21:11 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53358: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:21:45 PM

Yeah, Supergirl is on CBS, which is why I was confused by the statement about CW bragging about having a female lead. To my knowledge, they've never done that.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53359: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:21:49 PM

Okay than, who the hell is the first female-led show on the CW?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53360: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:22:36 PM

Like I just said, nobody on the CW has claimed they had the first female superhero lead. Though back when they were the WB, they had the ultra short-lived Birds of Prey TV show.

edited 16th Mar '16 4:22:56 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53361: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:24:41 PM

Sorry, I keep forgetting that Supergirl is not a CW show.

The first female lead Superheroine on TV was Wonder Woman either way.....

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53362: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:29:06 PM

[up]Statements like that typically have an unspoken assumption that we're talking about the modern superhero craze.

edit: I'm not sure if I'd count Agent Carter as a superhero show though. She really isn't a superhero in my opinion.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#53363: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:31:37 PM

Supergirl is made by the same production studio as the DC shows on the CW, and takes place in a linked continuity, so I can understand the confusion.

They are even going to have a Flash/Supergirl crossover in a couple weeks. Probably via multiverse shenanigans since the Flash has been dealing with them all season and it would be a way to avoid having to fully reconcile the two continuities.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53364: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:38:40 PM

[up][up] Again, it's a matter of definition. She is a lead in a comic book show and she routinely kicks-a..., taking out villains left and right. A lot of people would that consider a superhero. Others would insist on the more narrow notion of someone with powers/special abilities/nifty gear which gives them an advantage over others. But it is a very fluid line. Black Widow is usually considered a Superheroine because she is an avenger, but her abilities don't differ from May's and Mockingbird's that much.

My point was that depending on the view point, CB is right about Quake being the one Superheroine with Asian roots. So no reason to complain.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53365: Mar 16th 2016 at 4:42:05 PM

Birds of Prey would be the first comic book adapted lead female show on CW's channel.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53366: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:02:30 PM

I don't think anyone's been complaining, just pointing out her statement was incorrect. Like I said before, it kinda cuts both ways. I doubt she's aware of Katana but then probably the reason Quake is passed over in lot of these discussions is because a lot of people gave up on AOS.

There's some people who I don't think ever forgave the show for Season 1.

edited 16th Mar '16 5:02:58 PM by comicwriter

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53367: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:05:06 PM

I've talked to a couple people in Real Life who think Season 3 is absolutely terrible.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53368: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:06:10 PM

It never showed up on TV here again after the first break in S1. Too few viewers and the MCU still isn't a big deal over here. Star Wars wasn't even the number 1 movie last year for us(Deadpool we liked and Bv S looks to be huge for us next week btw).

edited 16th Mar '16 5:26:26 PM by LordofLore

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53369: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:06:38 PM

Yeah, I run into people that dropped Agents after season 1 and never went back.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53370: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:08:36 PM

One of my friends quit watching after they introduced the Inhumans.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53371: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:10:29 PM

I... actually haven't seen any of it after the first episode of Season 2, though through no fault of my own.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53374: Mar 16th 2016 at 5:34:12 PM

[up][up] Haha. grin I actually don't know, but maybe...

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53375: Mar 16th 2016 at 6:23:01 PM

My friend who does follow AOS regularly claims it's mostly enjoyable in the trainwreck So Bad, It's Good kind of way.


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