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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53251: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:02:01 AM

Yeah, it says something about the Young Avengers and the Avengers from the future in the comics that not even half are descended from the current Avengers. Aside from Wanda's reincarnated kids, Mar-Vell's unknown son with a Skrull princess, Cassie Lang, Jessica and Luke's daughter and the daughter of Songbird there aren't that many that I recall. Marvel are more for legacy with heroes called the same but new faces beneath the masks.

edited 15th Mar '16 6:05:28 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53252: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:06:34 AM

[up][up]The way Tony talked at the end of Age of Ultron it sounded as if he wanted what Hawkeye has.

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#53253: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:21:54 AM

Wanted, maybe, but whether he could actually do it is another matter.

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#53254: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:24:29 AM

They could always adopt, if Stark's not capable.

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#53256: Mar 15th 2016 at 6:05:41 AM

[up][up] That's not exactly what I meant...

Still, I suppose his bit about performance issues might be taken from experience...

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#53257: Mar 15th 2016 at 6:19:59 AM

He may want a slightly more steady life with someone he loves, not necessarily children. Maybe I should I see Ao U again just to be sure. I only saw it the once and I might have missed some things the first time.

Honestly it just seems like it's not in them as people, like they just have their own lives and interests and goals and kids wouldn't be doing much for them in that regard.

For one thing they're both kind of workaholics and while I can imagine Tony touting the benefits of his fancy new patented systems of automated childcare I feel like the distance he had with his own father would dissuade him from doing the same to his own children.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53258: Mar 15th 2016 at 7:20:39 AM

I don't think that having children is something Tony planned to do beforehand, but I can see him changing his mind now. Especially since he is very much like his father, who also got a son late in life (very late...he was old enough to be a grandfather already when he died).

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#53259: Mar 15th 2016 at 7:42:22 AM

And what about the TV shows? Nope, this idea would just screw the time-line. It's better Marvel sticks with the real-time concept.

When have the films ever cared about the TV shows?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53260: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:17:12 AM

When have the films ever cared about the TV shows?
So far, however, the films have never directly contradicted the shows and I doubt they will.

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#53261: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:18:53 AM

A timeskip wouldn't directly contradict the shows either. It would make life harder for one show in particular and would leave it having to run around trying to figure out how to follow suit, but that's their relationship already. The movies do stuff and the show bends over backwards to incorporate whatever new thing they did.

I can't imagine it would be any trickier than that time the films literally scrapped the show's entire premise in its first season.

edited 15th Mar '16 8:20:09 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53262: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:25:04 AM

A timeskip in the films wouldn't affect any of the shows.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53263: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:32:05 AM

Even if it did, they already don't care about the shows.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53264: Mar 15th 2016 at 9:43:49 AM

As I've pointed out before the films couldn't keep up with the shows even if they wanted to. Whatever SHIELD's status quo is when a given film starts production, it'll be drastically different by the time the film is actually released.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53265: Mar 15th 2016 at 9:59:36 AM

I can't imagine it would be any trickier than that time the films literally scrapped the show's entire premise in its first season.
You're writing as if the showrunners of AOS didn't know what was going to happen in Winter Solder the moment they started making the show — they did. They were told immediately after the show was ordered to series that SHIELD was going to be dismantled, so they could plan accordingly to make sure the series still worked. Which it did - the show was still about SHIELD, even though in the movies, SHIELD doesn't seem to exist.

And, aside from Winter Solder, none of the other movies have ever had much of an impact on the show. Age of Ultron provided a short side story that fed into the movie, but that was it, and from what I hear, the show is going to have it's own version of Civil War that's going to be different from the movie.

Honestly, the end of Phase 3 is in 2019, which means Agents of SHIELD would be in its fifth season. If they did do a time skip for the show, I would be perfectly fine with that. I doubt, however, that they will do a time skip for the movies, since they probably want to hang onto the heroes they've got right now for as long as possible.

edited 15th Mar '16 10:01:11 AM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#53267: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:39:11 PM

"Honestly, the end of Phase 3 is in 2019, which means Agents of SHIELD would be in its fifth season"

Nope, Sixth season.

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#53268: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:39:58 PM

I'm thinking Agents of SHIELD will end after Season 4, to be honest. They'll have enough episodes for syndication that way.

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#53270: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:41:43 PM

Grey's Anatomy is a serialized drama and they syndicate it, though.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53271: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:42:53 PM

I mean, serialized dramas do get syndicated, but it's not a priority for them the way it is for sitcoms.

Also Grey's has 258 episodes and is still running, so. If that's your model, SHIELD probably will be around for a long-ass time.

edited 15th Mar '16 12:43:24 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#53272: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:44:44 PM

It'd be a bit different in this case, I think, because it's a Marvel series. Marvel is making big bucks, anyone would want to syndicate it.

Or they could give a network exclusive rights to rerun it or something, I don't know.

edited 15th Mar '16 12:45:12 PM by AdricDePsycho

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53273: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:45:18 PM

Agents of SHIELD will keep going as long as it wants to at this point. The main purpose it serves is still doing well.

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#53274: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:48:01 PM

I just hope it doesn't end up undergoing seasonal rot.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53275: Mar 15th 2016 at 1:18:51 PM

I'm not sure how they're going to attract new viewers though. Perhaps cross overs?


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