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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53226: Mar 14th 2016 at 1:41:36 PM

RDJR doubtful about Iron Man 4 which we already knew.

edited 14th Mar '16 1:51:01 PM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53227: Mar 14th 2016 at 1:44:15 PM

Cap is just such a "good" person, it is hard to side against him.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53228: Mar 14th 2016 at 1:47:37 PM

No, they all lose. They all look like trigger-happy unreasonable idiots who cannot solve a dispute without trying to kill each other.

It's entertaining. So they win and so do I when I watch it!

edited 14th Mar '16 1:47:48 PM by comicwriter

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#53229: Mar 14th 2016 at 1:49:06 PM

We've known for years that Iron Man 4 isn't happening. If anything, reporters continuing to pester RDJ hoping to weasel a different answer out of him is only going to accelerate his burnout on the character.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53230: Mar 14th 2016 at 2:06:33 PM

Sharon's weapon looks more like garrote wire than a baton to me. Anyway Hawkeye has batons too doesn't he?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53231: Mar 14th 2016 at 2:09:52 PM

No, but he has a new bow that can transform into a staff.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53232: Mar 14th 2016 at 5:56:45 PM

My dad is convinced that RDJ keeps saying no because he's holding out for more money. I still think it's more likely that he's just getting tired of the movies.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53233: Mar 14th 2016 at 5:59:30 PM

To be fair, he held out a long time for renewing his contract last time, and was very dedicated in pretending it wasn't a bug deal to him.

But yeah, I'm not sure Marvel has room in their slate for him just yet.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53234: Mar 14th 2016 at 6:00:04 PM

[up] It's unlikely that he's tired of the movies, since RDJ wanted a bigger role for Tony in Civil War. Perhaps it's simply because there's a "three movies and move on" policy for the MCU (aside from Avengers). Have they stated that this is the last Captain America movie?

I do wonder, however, if perhaps they will do the reverse of what the comics did and kill off Tony instead of Steve.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53235: Mar 14th 2016 at 6:01:55 PM

Way back when Iron Man 3 was out he had a very heavily publicized injury and mentioned it was getting harder to do these movies as he got older.

Doing ensemble movies like this and the Avengers sequels allows him to show up and act (as well as collect his paycheck) without having to carry the majority of the action. In fact he finished up Age of Ultron well before the rest of the cast, I think I recall reading.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53236: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:15:22 PM

There's also the fact that the earliest time we'd have an Iron Man 4 is after IW. By then it will have been ten years since Iron Man. I think he's justified in quitting at that point.

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#53237: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:17:32 PM

If Rhodey makes it out of Civil War, then I want him to replace Tony and have Tony stick around in a "man behind the man" capacity like Batman Beyond. Or just get another character to take up the armor. Maybe try and introduce Arno Stark or something.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53238: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:20:46 PM

Rhodey dying is pretty unlikely. On top of it being a really stupid idea it's ridiculous to spoil that in the trailer for the movie.

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#53239: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:23:03 PM

Either way, I kinda want to see either him replace Tony or they get someone else to come in and replace Tony. It'd be cool to see Tony turn into some kind of mentor figure to a new Iron Man.

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#53240: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:43:09 PM

Part of me thinks they will recreate the whole "Crossbones assassinates someone" ending and set it up to look like Cap's about to die, but with Stark either taking the bullet for him or being the intended target in the first place.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53241: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:50:54 PM

Don Cheadle is pretty old himself so I don't know if he'd carry the film himself as lead after Tony. War Machine doesn't have the same character star power, but if he teamed up with a younger actor like Mackie or the others maybe they could come up with something.

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#53242: Mar 14th 2016 at 7:56:45 PM

I mean, Rhodey replaced Tony as Iron Man for a period in the comics. That's mostly why I argue Rhodey would make a good replacement.

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#53243: Mar 14th 2016 at 8:00:42 PM

so apparently ant man is finally going to grow big

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#53245: Mar 14th 2016 at 8:37:36 PM

There's also the fact that the earliest time we'd have an Iron Man 4 is after IW. By then it will have been ten years since Iron Man. I think he's justified in quitting at that point.

Not even necessarily quitting. There's just a dozen ways you could keep Tony Stark around without making Iron Man 4, 5, and 6.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53246: Mar 14th 2016 at 11:44:18 PM

RDJ is getting old. Sorry, but he really is. You can get away with a guy in his early 50th still flying around in the suit, but by the time Infinity War is done, he will be closer to 60th for the next shot. Not only in real live, but also in-universe. Same for Don Cheadle, btw. He is aging a little bit better. I fully expect either of them to die in Infinity war - and the other going into retirement.

Honestly, it is high time that Tony and Pepper have a child. Time for a little bit ahead-planning. Because this way, they could introduce a new, female character who can one day become properly Rescue.

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#53247: Mar 15th 2016 at 12:46:00 AM

Could we have a Time Skip after Infinity War? It might make something like Young Avengers easier, although it might make sequels to stuff like Black Panther and Captain Marvel more difficult.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53248: Mar 15th 2016 at 2:13:20 AM

Doing a general "5 years of peace" period might work. T'Challa can always fight people in Wakanda, Carol can always go on a journey in space and the street level heroes don't need world spanning conflicts.

Edit: Wow the poses are way off.

edited 15th Mar '16 3:34:46 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53249: Mar 15th 2016 at 2:43:59 AM

And what about the TV shows? Nope, this idea would just screw the time-line. It's better Marvel sticks with the real-time concept.

Plus, there are really enough stories to tell. As I and others have pointed out multiple times, Phase 4 is nearly full already even without Marvel adding new heroes into the mix - and they could. Even without them getting any rights back, there are still some heroes which might work out for a movie.

Plus, I think this will all the more awesome if we are patient and allow Marvel to build up the new generation step by step.

edited 15th Mar '16 2:45:45 AM by Swanpride

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#53250: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:43:21 AM

Tony and Pepper do not seems like the kid-having types.

There will probably be next-gen heroes post-infinity war but I doubt they're going to be direct descendents.

Especially after the Inhumans movie where there's a possibility of a Terrigen Bomb going off and justifying a whole slew of new heroes and villains in the movies.

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