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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#53151: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:17:12 PM

The chitauri are a Hive Mind, so that:

Gimli: "That still only count as one."

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#53152: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:17:36 PM

it's 74 k

all good

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#53153: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:25:54 PM

@This Post:

The most disturbing things I can conjecture from recent trailer:

  • Rhodey fall from the sky after his Arc Reactor got busted. Why? Rhodey fall from the sky is disturbing by itself, since he (allegedly) fighting against Cap's side. And at least 2 members of Cap's side has serious issues with good guy fall from the sky and cannot do a thing about it. That's... not very good.
  • From the trailer, it seems that War Machine falls from the sky because someone shoots his Arc Reactor. We can rule Hawkeye out, since it was not an arrow, most likely an energy gun or high-velocity shells.... The problem is, there's exactly one guy on Cap's side that established to be that good in shooting weapon. Feel a bit nauseous?
  • On the last segments of trailer, when 2 sides clash with each other, we saw War Machine on Tony's side.... but the, color scheme, seems a bit wrong.... Why I thought the scheme is too similar with Crossbones, of all people?
  • Also, (Ex?) Winter Soldier trying to kill Tony, in non-combat gear.... Did he attack Tony because he sides with Cap, or did his attack that caused the whole C Ivil War thing in the first place?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#53154: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:32:50 PM

I actually think that Rhodey getting hit is some kind of accident. Ie Vision tried to use his power on someone who deflected and it ended up hitting Rhodey. I doubt that at this point the two teams are actually in a "kill the enemy" mind-set....but the conflict will get worse when the movie continues. When Tony is backhanding Steve the gloves are definitely off (or perhaps on in this case....)

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#53155: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:49:50 PM

Considering War Machine's "death", is that we still have no idea how Baron Zemo factors into the story.

I wouldn't rule out Baron Zemo intervening during the airport battle in an attempt to eliminate the Avengers while they are fighting each other. This turns the whole battle into a disaster for both teams, and War Machine is shot out of the sky during the retreat.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53156: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:13:30 PM

Someone pointed out that in the scene where Tony is screaming "No!!!" there's an image of Vision in his HUD.

It does look like Vision is the one who knocks out Rhodey (unless they just stitched together another unrelated shot, which is possible). The question is whether it's intentional because he's switching sides, or is an accident caused by Power Incontinence. He could also be controlled by someone.

edited 13th Mar '16 3:14:01 PM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#53157: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:14:41 PM

"...He could also be controlled by someone"

Goddammit Wanda.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53159: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:54:11 PM

There's behind the scenes clips of her vs him in a room in the airport IIRC and she has him on his knees with the red haze over him. There's also an interview with her actress where she pretty much says "My character is way stronger due to offscreen training but my part of the story is about the connection between me and Vision since we got our powers from the same Stone". People took that to mean they would bond over it so the movie could have the MCU required love sub plot but...

edited 13th Mar '16 4:18:49 PM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53160: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:26:19 PM

Save their relationship for their own movies I say.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53161: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:35:46 PM

Funny enough IIRC, Wanda's magic was used to take over Vision and activate Ultron drones in the main comics during Disassembled which is how Vision ended up dying due to She-Hulk ripping him in half(along with Ant-Man dying to a exploding friend and Hawkeye taking out a ship). Disassembled was a bad story.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53162: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:42:27 PM

It definitely looks like Vision's beam.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53163: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:43:43 PM

Save their relationship for their own movies I say.

We're probably not getting movies for Vision and Scarlet Witch. They're people like Hawkeye who were really ensemble players for most of their history. They did have a mini-series together in the 80's, though.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:45:08 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53164: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:51:16 PM

Yeah, and I hear Olson hasn't even asked about the possibility.

I just feel like Wanda as a character deserves a film or three. Mostly because I fear she could too easily fall into obscurity and then go crazy and or serve as little more than a nessicary mother to Wiccan and Speedball.

Also, if she got her own film, she could explore street level occult stuff, which is not something the MCU has at the moment, and we could Introduce Ghost Rider as a supporting character (though I imagine everything I just described will instead go to Blade and Daughter)

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53165: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:52:59 PM

If Wanda controled Visión tend I will ask myself why Cap acept her after all she have done...

In fact did somebody in the team knows wanda kick tony fear which lead to ultron?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53166: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:54:39 PM

The trailer suggests that Cap knows and is sympathetic.

Wanda looks guilty over Sokovia, and Cap notices and asks for the video to stop.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#53167: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:00:06 PM

[up]guilty over sokovia or the death of his brorher?

Also, what about wakanda, she relase the hulk which make Tony use the Hulk búster, it look a big point aganst cap

edited 13th Mar '16 5:00:22 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53168: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:09:30 PM

I'd be interesting if we got a House of M-style story, but instead of Magneto and mutant stuff it's instead a world where Cap won Civil War or something and it goes horribly wrong.

And Wanda herself is the focus character, so instead of someone else figuring out that Scarlet Witch created the dystopia it's Wanda herself who realizes in the story's big plot twist that she's far more powerful than she ever thought, and that she somehow altered reality.

Or would that be too much like Flashpoint?

edited 13th Mar '16 5:12:22 PM by KnownUnknown

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53169: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:10:55 PM

I expect in the film proper we'll see Wakanda footage. Thunderbolt would pass up the opportunity to make the Hulk look bad without implicating himself.

I kind of expect London to appear too, but, perhaps not so much considering Thor isn't a current member.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53170: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:44:09 PM

Also, what about wakanda, she relase the hulk which make Tony use the Hulk búster, it look a big point aganst cap

The Avengers were never in Wakanda.

If Wanda controled Visión tend I will ask myself why Cap acept her after all she have done...

Vision is an enemy to them. It's not any different than the other characters fighting one another.

edited 13th Mar '16 5:44:48 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53171: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:58:12 PM

[up] They were in Wakanda in AOU Or is this fannon discontinuity?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53172: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:59:35 PM

South Africa, not Wakanda. We aren't going to see the country until Black Panther,

edited 13th Mar '16 6:07:42 PM by LordofLore

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#53173: Mar 13th 2016 at 6:03:30 PM

The country they were in was not Wakanda.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53175: Mar 13th 2016 at 6:05:58 PM

They were in South Africa. The movie cut from a discussion of Wakanda to Klaue's hideout and then claimed it was "The African Coast", which is probably what confused so many people.

[up][nja]

edited 13th Mar '16 6:06:33 PM by comicwriter


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