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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53101: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:04:20 PM

I'm really not certain how damage control is going to work. The MCU is not populated or active enough for the premise to make sense. Not enough stuff is getting trashed regularly enough.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#53102: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:14:40 PM

Half of those are for streaming rather than actual television, where DC still seems to be the big one.

Also two thirds of those haven't even aired yet. The article really looks like dickwaving.

The main issue IMO is that Marvel keeps its most famous heroes for the big screen (or doesn't own them yet - X-Men), so the little one gets less-famous ones - compare to The Flash, Supergirl or almost-Batman (Gotham) for DC.

But if Netflix keeps being awesome, maybe they will manage to rope in one of the established MCU superstars to film an entire season. Marvel's Black Widow or Marvel's Hawkeye could be amazing TV shows.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#53103: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:17:58 PM

90% of the show's budget would be paying for the actor.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53104: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:22:23 PM

Yeah Scarlet Johanson is the second most expensive actor in the MCU. But it's nice to image what the MCU version if the character could do in a serial format. She should get a comic series.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#53105: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:22:57 PM

I don't know, some movie stars are acting in TV shows now. Kevin Spacey, Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson (both in the same series), Colin Farrell, Jack Black...okay, Scarjo is in the next fame tier, but Jeremy Renner? I doubt he costs much more than Kevin Spacey (and Robin Wright).

It is unlikely, but some actors might find the opportunity interesting, especially after the rave reviews of Daredevil or Jessica Jones. If it keeps going on with Iron Fist and Luke Cage, I would say that everything is possible.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53106: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:29:33 PM

Jeremy Renner has a more successful movie career right now than either Kevin Spacey or Robin Wright, though. Part of the reason those two went towards TV is because they weren't nearly as popular as they were in the 90's (though HOC has boosted their profile a lot since then).

Ironically, despite that, he has done TV. He showed up on Louie and he's going to be guest-starring on some knight drama he produced for the History Channel.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53107: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:31:38 PM

You've gotten me curious now. And of the Avengers, Mark Ruffalo is actually cheep enough to star in a TV series.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#53109: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:40:31 PM

Yeah shame. I guess you could have a series called The Incredible Banner where Bruce uses mad science to help people.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53110: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:46:34 PM

Scarjo is the second highest paid person in the MCU? Really? That's interesting. Though I guess she's got a more successful career outside the MCU than Evans, since Lucy did so well.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#53111: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:47:40 PM

[up][up]Get a buff dude, paint him green, Strip Banner of his Hulk status, ship it as SON-OF-HULK.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#53112: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:48:52 PM

[up][up] God, now I'm picturing Bruce as Bill Nye. That would be something to see.

Oh God! Natural light!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#53113: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:52:24 PM

Scarjo is the second highest paid person in the MCU? Really? That's interesting.

She probably had one of the more successful careers before being cast. A lot of the MCU heroes are up and comers or people who have never quite hit it big (or people like RDJ whose careers had slowed down at the time), but she and Jeremy Renner were both fairly big names going in. I guess Ruffalo and Sam Jackson too.

In fact Joss Whedon said there was a period where they thought Black Widow wouldn't be in The Avengers because salary negotiations with Scarjo's agents were going south.

edited 12th Mar '16 3:53:13 PM by comicwriter

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#53114: Mar 12th 2016 at 4:00:40 PM

Mark Ruffalo was a decently famous actor before but he wasn't really anything major.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53115: Mar 12th 2016 at 4:01:25 PM

A Hawkeye Netflix show would be pretty cool, especially if it introduced Kate Bishop, as well. A Black Widow Netflix show would be awesome, too.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#53117: Mar 12th 2016 at 4:49:10 PM

"You people are so petty and tiny!"

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#53118: Mar 12th 2016 at 5:25:36 PM

Speaking of MCU people in the Netflix shows, I had this idea, since Paul Rudd still does tv (and I think was in the Netflix Wet Hot American Summer show)-

In the last episode, you'd have all the main characters called to a location and a mysterious figure what step out of the shadows and it would be Scott Lang trying to be cool/pretending he's Nick Fury and welcoming them to the "Defenders Initiative".

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#53119: Mar 12th 2016 at 5:29:43 PM

I've been meaning to finish Jessica Jones, but I'm watching it with my brother whose work schedule is keeping him busy now.

I will not lie, I am honestly more excited for Defenders than I ever was for Avengers :'p

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#53120: Mar 12th 2016 at 7:13:54 PM

[up] Same here! I really can't wait to see how they get everyone together, and especially how they manage to get Jessica to go back to superheroing.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53121: Mar 12th 2016 at 7:43:59 PM

[up] I don't think they will, actually. Jessica may just be the team member who is not a superhero.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53122: Mar 12th 2016 at 7:59:25 PM

Speaking of MCU people in the Netflix shows, I had this idea, since Paul Rudd still does tv (and I think was in the Netflix Wet Hot American Summer show)-
Paul Rudd is also a personal friend of the creators of Wet Hot, as the original film literally launched his career. (He met Amy Poehler on the set of that movie and is tight with her as well, hence his appearances on Parks and Rec.) I highly doubt he meant for his presence to signify a willingness to to TV or streaming with any degree of regularity.

edited 12th Mar '16 8:01:54 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53123: Mar 12th 2016 at 9:10:25 PM

[up] To be fair, Paul Rudd has made plenty of TV appearances outside of Parks and Rec and Wet Hot American Summer. I mean, just look at his IMDB page.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#53124: Mar 12th 2016 at 10:01:58 PM

Most of those are way smaller scale than his work on those two shows, though. Since at least 2008, the most you can get out of him on TV that's not those two shows is, like, three episodes of Burning Love—which, oh, hey, look, had fellow Wet Hot alumni Ken Marino and Michael Ian Black involved, so actually was a personal favor, probably.

Point being, claiming that Paul Rudd "still does TV" is incredibly misleading. Like, you want him for a two-second cameo in a Defenders show, I guess that's plausible? But not something where his career in television actually matters.

edited 12th Mar '16 10:06:33 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#53125: Mar 12th 2016 at 10:41:20 PM

Hey, Ken Marino was in Agent Carter! So there's already that Marino connection to TV! We just need to get Rudd and Marino on set together again!

Ooh, perhaps Marino can play Vinnie Van Lowe from Veronica Mars again. That was another show Paul Rudd guest starred in!


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