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Wasn't around for the original Clone Saga, but I have been told it mostly came down to Arc Fatigue and the one for the Ultimate verse was good.
So the version I was told about was the 90s one?
edited 12th Mar '16 8:10:16 AM by Cross
There was actually a clone saga before the 90s one that was overall well regarded
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe clone saga overall was considered a Dork Age, but less because of the clone stuff and more because of the convoluted mess the plot ended up becoming, what with the Jackal becoming progressively more over-the-top, his constantly changing schemes, the "who's the real Peter?" storyline going nowhere, and the fact it just wouldn't friggin end, among other things. From what I understood, it was because the editors were under the impression big sagas were more lucrative and as such kept trying to make it longer when it should have ended a while ago. Linkara made a series of reviews on the topic.
Point is, yes, the clone saga was a mess and is hated by most fans, but even those who hated it admitted it eventually resulted in some good parts. Mainly Ben Reily and eventually Kaine. Everything Scarlet Spider-related in fact.
The whole discussion over the last few pages just put me in the mood.
You know this whole Civil War thing has got me kind of thinking and well, it seems like the movies are falling into the same trap the comics do of mostly excusing or ignoring Steve's poor decisions.
Take for example this exchange from Winter Soldier
Steve Rogers: I thought the punishment usually came *after* the crime.
Nick Fury: We can't afford to wait that long.
Steve Rogers: Who's "we"?
Nick Fury: After New York, I convinced the World Security Council we needed a quantum surge in threat analysis. For once we're way ahead of the curve.
Steve Rogers: By holding a gun at everyone on Earth and calling it protection.
Nick Fury: You know, I read those SSR files. Greatest generation? You guys did some nasty stuff.
Steve Rogers: Yeah, we compromised. Sometimes in ways that made us not sleep so well. But we did it so the people could be free. This isn't freedom, this is fear.
Nick Fury: S.H.I.E.L.D. takes the world as it is, not as we'd like to be. And it's getting damn near past time for you get with that program, Cap.
Steve Rogers: Don't hold your breath.
Basically Steve is making excuses for the things he and his fellow soldiers did (both good and bad) as for the "greater good". And yet, even though Fury is doing the same for similar reasons, he's presented as a misguided fool he needs his eyes opened. Furthermore, this "nasty stuff" that the SSR did that Steve was apparently a part of is never mentioned again. We don't even see him doing it. It's only mentioned as an insincere attempt to make Steve seem flawed, like his supposed Blood Knight tendencies.
It should just be common knowledge that the US did some f'd up stuff in WWII
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI mean, if we're being totally honest, there is no private or public organization or individual I'd trust with the absurd fuckton of power that exists in superhero universes. Trusting that Steve is incorruptible is as close as we're gonna get.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.It annoys me that there are no institutions in the 616 who consider to potential risks of mind control. Information security, Congress and the courts should have rigorous anti mind control measures, but as far as I'm aware they don't.
Outside of that charity survey team which employs Verity Willis the Human Lie Detector. (Who I love by the way. She can no sell fucking Xavier.)
Why should there? The people Loki controlled had those blue eyes, so you would see immediately if someone is under the control of the mind stone. Wanda only can influence people by using their fear against them, it is not like she can order them around to do whatever she wants them to do. And Killgrave is dead, but even before he died his influence was limited, and even if it hadn't been, he could have simply ordered whoever is responsible for checking to overlook what he sees (not to mention that most people preferred to pretend that he didn't exist in the first place).

Let's just leave clones out of the MCU altogether. They're nothing but trouble.