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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Generally, letting loose a weapon that then kills someone (even if it was accidental) is just as bad as killing that person yourself. Especially if the weapon is a clone that was done in secret, without permission from the person they cloned.
Also, Tony had an entire secret prison in the Negative Zone (Prison 42) where he kept those who didn't sign on the Registration Act. And he authorized the use of the Thunderbolts, who were supervillains. And in one book (that Marvel really hopes you would forget), he had a plan to unite Pro-Reg and Anti-Reg sides by staging an attack and blaming it on Atlantis, essentially making a False Flag Operation.
edited 11th Mar '16 9:44:54 AM by alliterator
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Ah, yes. Sorry, misread the spoiled part. Well, maybe Tony doesn't know?
Fair enough for the clone part, I guess.
Well, he is not the weakest either, yes, but he can still be harmed by bullets, for example. And most of his opponents are stronger than him. Also, a problem with the webshooter is that I can't help but wonder how he never runs out of them at the worst of time, like while he's in the middle of swinging.
edited 11th Mar '16 9:46:22 AM by Theokal3
Seems you misunderstood what I said again. This isn't about you agreeing with our contrary opinions on Cloning Thor and the way he was used, all I said was "Well know you know". It isn't necessary to see things our way, just that you know our reasons.
edited 11th Mar '16 9:45:21 AM by VeryMelon
Because creating a clone of Thor without his consent is a very bad thing. Even ignoring that he set the clone on his and Thor's friends (which is bad), even ignoring that the clone he created and is therefore responsible for if anything goes wrong killed someone, the act of cloning Thor without his permission is a plenty detestable act on its own. The fact that he doesn't use it to protect Earth from cosmic threats and sics it on his former friends is its own unpleasant can of worms.
IRON MAN: Hey, Thor, can I have some of your DNA so I can clone you in case you ever die or something?
THOR: Aye, verily.
Then I think the only problem would have been that the clone went crazy. But Tony never asked Thor's permission, so creating a clone of him was a super violation.
Other bad things Tony has done: he was part of the group that shot the Hulk into space, he developed a system to shut down powers and used it on She-Hulk before she had even done anything because he knew that she would side with her cousin, and he ate Mockingbird's quinoa
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Going back to the movie, do you guys think the movie might end with the characters who sided with Cap thrown into the Raft?
That scene in the trailer where Tony looks around at the empty cells feels like its setting up something. Like, early on Tony might go review the Raft to see if it checks out or something and approves of it, maybe even saying something like praising about how well it will keep the bad guys away.
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Okay, thank you for clarifying. And sorry I caused a conversation to get a bit too heated.
Other bad things Tony has done: he was part of the group that shot the Hulk into space, he developed a system to shut down powers and used it on She-Hulk before she had even done anything because he knew that she would side with her cousin, and he ate Mockingbird's quinoa.
.... I did NOT know about the last two.
No idea, but I am glad a supervillain prison is getting introduced. Was sick of villains dying at the end of most movies.
edited 11th Mar '16 10:04:44 AM by Theokal3
In the comics, no: it's just an island in New York. And there are a lot of breakouts.
To be fair, though, this isn't the first supervillain prison in the MCU: in Agents of SHIELD, there was the Cube and also the Fridge, which is where some of the more dangerous superhumans were kept, like Blackout. Both aren't operational anymore though.
Yeah, that's right before Doctor Strange comes out.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It'll be interesting if the Raft gets used to imprison Tony himself and his teammates.
Alternatively if they want it to feel like the movie has consequences, them being imprisoned there means they won't be allowed to show up in any other Phase 3 movies as free men, unless let out with handlers Psycho-Pass style.
"It's nice that there is at least the possibility that he runs out on webs once in a while. "
Really? I mean is like in movie where a hero never run low on bullet, aside for one of two moment I dont think they would care so much.
And about the fear of the avenger....well, remenber that loki is the brother of thor(one of them) who play them agasint each other, brainwashed one of them and destroy the helicarrier
With Winter soldier is reveal that hydra was inside of Shield all the time, casting doubt if the avenger iniciative can be really trust it, even more when they have a ex member of Hydra(Black widow) who already have some some shady pass on her own
and Now age of ultron where Stark pet project(using alien tech taken from a Hydra base) go mad and take a entire city and almost use it a colony drop, or that Hulk(another member) go savage all over wakanda....
Yeah, I can see why people would fear them, in fact the whole "we are not perfect" sound like understament
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"eyeroll
Seriously, people talk about superheroes as though the concept of emergency response is completely alien to police, medical technicians, firefighters, etc. As though Spider-Man invented the entire concept of fighting crime and before he came along, there was nobody who could possibly arrest a mugger or break up an alley fight.
edited 11th Mar '16 11:12:00 AM by TobiasDrake
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edited 11th Mar '16 9:41:49 AM by Theokal3