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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52926: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:00:45 AM

So...how did they get the footage from Sokovia? It's not like news teams were there.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#52927: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:04:41 AM

Local news and civillians with camera phones. Just because CNN didn't cover it doesn't mean the local stations weren't on it.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52928: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:06:41 AM

From that high up? I didn't see any helicopters in the air while the Ultron drones ran around.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#52929: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:09:05 AM

Oh well in that case I have no clue. Presumably spy jets or leftover Ultron heads. It is a bit of a trope that robots are almost automatically cameras.

edited 11th Mar '16 4:10:57 AM by MousaThe14

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#52930: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:17:38 AM

Oh, Sokovia was certainly Tony's fault. He created that mess.

... Good point. Sorry, still not used to the whole Tony Stark creating Ultron thing.

DC actually shows that Cap is right, because it was a kind of government organisations which went off the rails there.

Do I really need to point out DC and Marvel don't exactly work the same way? Also, I am speaking from a real-life point of view. In real life context, both would be right.

edited 11th Mar '16 4:18:18 AM by Theokal3

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#52931: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:23:19 AM

Theo, they were talking about WASHINGTON, DC, where the Triskellion and 3 Helicarriers fell.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#52932: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:52:52 AM

I suppose the question is does Tony blame HIMSELF for Sokovia.

The whole Ultron Incident was basically one giant Trauma Conga Line for him: Making his own villain that was basically evil him, coming face to face with people who hate him for VERY justifiable reasons because of a past he isn't proud of, losing some very good friends, that sort of thing.

It might've been just as much of a wake-up call as Afghanistan. Except with Eastern european accents.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#52933: Mar 11th 2016 at 4:57:57 AM

The weirdest criticism of the new Spider Man I'm seeing is the voice. I'm genuinely beginning to wonder if people are so used to teenagers being played by adults in films that we can't tell what an actual teenage voice sounds like anymore.

Because seriously, Spidey sounds like a teen.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52934: Mar 11th 2016 at 5:16:49 AM

Well...he sounds like a young adult. And it is great, btw!!!

This also makes Spiderman the first teenage Superhero who actually made it to the big screen with his proper age intact....

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#52935: Mar 11th 2016 at 5:17:48 AM

The, what, two to four seconds we see of him? Yeah he's great. Totally Spidey. People complain. It happens. There's not much to judge.

Actually, on a personal note, I already like it more than the Amazing look. He actually looks like a comic book character here. I didn't like the Amazing look because it was too muted, too plausible. It wasn't amazing or spectacular to me.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52936: Mar 11th 2016 at 5:20:35 AM

I just disliked the red...it was exactly the shade of red I hate! But since it is darker in the poster, it will most likely be okay in the end.

And I admit, the eyes made me nervous, because in Ultron was constantly in uncanny valley for me with his moving lips.

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#52937: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:01:42 AM

Too quote wasp: It's about damn time

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52939: Mar 11th 2016 at 6:14:20 AM

I'm on Cap's side because Iron Man's is anti-ethical to why read and watch superhero media.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#52941: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:36:40 AM

Theo, they were talking about WASHINGTON, DC, where the Triskellion and 3 Helicarriers fell.

Ah, my bad.

Well, true, that would give Cap reason. However, Sokovia also suggests Tony was right, since as said above Ultron was his own doing and had spectacularly horrible consequences. So, yeah, kinda breaks that. In a sense it's fitting that each of the two characters has a movie proving his point.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52942: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:37:17 AM

So, who's in that chair behind the glass when Tony backhands Steve with Bucky behind him?

Don't tell me Tony/the government is stupid enough to make a clone of Quicksilver/Thor/whoever like in the comics.

That has got to be someone else being brainwashed or something.

edited 11th Mar '16 8:07:36 AM by LordofLore

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#52943: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:45:33 AM

Clearly, Pietro is dead the same way Bucky was.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#52944: Mar 11th 2016 at 7:49:55 AM

[up]Interesting hypothesis. But considering Tony is pissed at Cap in this scene, I doubt it's either of these...

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52945: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:00:57 AM

So is it a safe bet that Stan's cameo this time will be Spider-Man related?

Also, it took me an embarassingly long time to realize that his suit here is based off of the one from the 60's.

edited 11th Mar '16 8:04:28 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52946: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:06:36 AM

I really doubt it's a clone anything. They're not gonna bring back Quicksilver immediately after killing him and even though Marvel loves cameos I'm not sure they'd pay Hemsworth to fly in to play a clone.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52947: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:10:27 AM

Besides, cloning a dead Avenger was one of the things that marked Tony as Iron Fuhrer.

edited 11th Mar '16 9:37:22 AM by VeryMelon

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52948: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:11:00 AM

Year, Clor was a really bad idea.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#52949: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:15:04 AM

I still don't get why people found this THAT horrible. I mean, it's not like if Stark and Richards reanimated Thor's corpse, they just used DNA. They didn't intended the clone to turn out that wrong either. It's morally ambiguous, yeah, but I fail to see how that's enough to qualify Tony as Iron Furher.

edited 11th Mar '16 8:15:29 AM by Theokal3

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52950: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:19:16 AM

It's them messing with its head after it killed Goliath, not telling people it isn't their old friend who has gone crazy(it takes Hercules smashing its head in for that to be revealed) and actually cloning a god without asking if it was the right thing to do.


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