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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52826: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:19:51 PM

Anyway it looked like Steve and Tony stumbled upon one of Bucky's brainwashing chambers. Hopefully that means no idiot plot about nobody but Steve being willing to accept that Bucky wasn't in control of his actions, and instead it's focusing on whether he's a ticking time bomb and current threat.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#52827: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:20:16 PM

I don't think most people even know the full context for Bucky shooting at Tony. Judging by some behind the scenes footage, it's pretty likely that Bucky wasn't aiming that gun at Tony at all. He's actually aiming it at Cap and Tony stops him with the Iron Man glove thing.

edited 10th Mar '16 2:21:09 PM by higherbrainpattern

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#52828: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:23:38 PM

[up][up]yeah, in that case the trailer make iron man more likable, like "this guy will do something stupid, do something!" granted for what I see the final fight will be Im the artic?

[up]That dosent make thing better for cap actually.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#52829: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:25:45 PM

All I'm saying is that don't make an pre-emptive judgements on your part because of the way a trailer is cut, that's all.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52830: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:27:45 PM

I fear that the movie will end with Cap behind bars, having taken the fall for his team....hopefully he gets a little bit bonding with bucky beforehand....

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#52831: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:28:07 PM

[up][up]Why not? im saying this trailer make tony look more likable which is something dificult in his own after his behivor in Ao U, if that would happen in the movie itself is another thing.

edited 10th Mar '16 2:28:17 PM by unknowing

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#52832: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:28:25 PM

Personally, while I am not one of those crazy fans who will defend the Raimi trilogy fanatically (I still think they were good movies-well, the first two at least, but I don't think they were the BEST movies), I kinda liked Spidey making his own web better than I did the idea of him having to create his web-shooters. But I won't be mad if they chose the latter; regardless, I am just happy one of my long-time favourite heroes is finally joining the MCU.

For the design of the costume, however, I have... mixed feeling. The thiner web motif looks kinda off to me, as it makes it look somewhat more cartoony. Maybe it'll just take time to get used to. I have no real problem with the black bits added to parts of the suit, on the other hand. As for the CGI expressive lens... well, we'll see how it comes out for most of the movie.

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#52833: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:38:43 PM

Behind bars would be a good place for Cap to end the film.

It would allow them to retain the original event's endingListen! , it would be appropriately heart-wrenching, and it would put him in a good position to be brought back for Infinity War.

It wouldn't feel triumphant for either side. Sad music playing as Captain America takes the walk to prison and everyone on both sides has to dwell on what they've done here and whether or not they were right. Basically the ending to the original event but without the Diabolus ex Machina of Crossbones assassinating Cap because the event loves Debate and Switch so very much.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52834: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:42:49 PM

I'd love it if the plot has Zemo's role in things somehow manage to go undetected (or at least unproven) by the heroes, and after the Avengers have all thoroughly discredited themselves by turning their personal differences into a war he steps into the limelight and approaches the government himself.

The end would have him offering a better alternative for the oblivious governments of the world to support: his team of safe, controllable superheroes that the world can trust, unlike those unstable and destructive Avengers. A way for the world to finally master the growing superhuman situation...

Seriously, it would be wonderfully meta if Zemo plan in the Civil War movies actually was Civil War, and that making the Captain America and Avengers destroy themselves with infighting and/or become criminals was exactly the point.

edited 10th Mar '16 2:47:21 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52835: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:45:31 PM

I wonder if he's also responsible for Bucky going haywire or at least framing him, or whether Bucky truly is a complete wild-card and Zemo's just going to be an opportunist taking advantage of that fact.

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#52836: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:46:52 PM

I've never been much of a BP fan, largely because I've never seen anything I liked him in. But that's limited to his atrocious post-Civil War comics and the The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon.

I liked Black Panther's dynamics with the team in EMH. Or rather, him deadpan trolling Hawkeye and Wasp snarking that she forgot he was on the team because he never talks.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52837: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:09:52 PM

I'm conflicted on Zemo because if it's revealed he's played too heavily into manipulating one side, that removes the ambiguity. It's not a fair and balanced debate it's "The correct side vs. the side that got played by the Nazi."

edited 10th Mar '16 3:10:05 PM by comicwriter

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#52838: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:12:32 PM

You might as well say that about Zemo being behind anything in Civil War.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#52839: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:13:43 PM

I'm just going to say that yeah, Spider Man looked fucking terrible.

And I'm not excited to see him in any case. Without even watching the movies I'm burned out on Spider Man, just from reading this thread! Silly, but true.

Also, RIP tumblr. Checking my Dash is going to be...interesting.

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#52840: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:20:46 PM

I wouldn't mind finding out that Zemo was in some way involved with the Sokovia Accords and/or Bucky's crime and/or other things that brought on the conflict. Iron Man and Cap find out, team up, take him down. Then after the smoke clears, we get this scene:

  • CAP: So that's the end of that. Are we good?
  • IRON MAN: No, we're not. This has been a long time coming. Just because an evil Nazi was involved doesn't mean we stopped needing to be accountable. If anything, this is a reason why we need more accountability; not only from us but from the people who brought us to this point in the first place. We need to be involved in these decisions and that means working within the system.

edited 10th Mar '16 3:21:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52841: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:21:40 PM

[up][up][up] I would be fine with him maybe manipulating the situation for his own ends like suggested, but something as big as him being a major player in getting Tony to be Pro-Accords would seem off.

The same way the comics sort of obliterated any semblance of the Registration Act being a good idea when they had Norman Osborn use it begin his Dark Reign.

edited 10th Mar '16 3:21:56 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52842: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:24:23 PM

I'm conflicted on Zemo because if it's revealed he's played too heavily into manipulating one side, that removes the ambiguity. It's not a fair and balanced debate it's "The correct side vs. the side that got played by the Nazi."

That becomes less of a problem if he's manipulating everybody.

edited 10th Mar '16 3:25:06 PM by KnownUnknown

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#52844: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:25:54 PM

Here I come, all hyped about seeing Spider Man in the latest trailer, and...

I'm just going to say that yeah, Spider Man looked fucking terrible. And I'm not excited to see him in any case.

Bringing me down man, bringing me down.

The suit looked fine to me, better than the Amazing suit actually. Like Batman/Superman, I feel like the second trailer shows just a little too much, but whatever, I'm excited for it.

Though, isn't Peter supposed to have the Iron Spider armor by now.

edited 10th Mar '16 3:26:37 PM by Soble

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52845: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:28:36 PM

The way I figured it was that Zemo would be a voice in the government's ear, but would also be manipulating things through Bucky's end (even if he's not directly controlling Bucky himself) so that Cap will take a stand for something that's actually one big trap to play into his Chronic Hero Syndrome.

Like, Zemo wouldn't necessarily behind the Accords. He would, however, be creating a perfect storm that will cause Cap to fight against the Accords where he might not otherwise, and for everyone to react in exactly the wrong way to that. So what would otherwise be a tense period where the Avengers members slowly get used to their new restrictions instead turns into a volatile situation.

The end result would be that Zemo wasn't actually supporting or controlling either side. Just pushing the buttons of both into the worst kind of confrontation possible.

edited 10th Mar '16 3:30:46 PM by KnownUnknown

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#52846: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:30:59 PM

Though, isn't Peter supposed to have the Iron Spider armor by now.

Different contexts.

In the comics, spider-man was well-established by the time Civil War came around and is an adult. The Spider-Man here only just got started and is a teenager, so he and Stark don't have that kind of relationship.

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#52847: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:31:35 PM

My main issue with the idea of Zemo deliberately trying to set the heroes into Civil War is that I'm not clear on what Zemo would stand to gain. "Destroy the heroes!" and then...what? What's the endgame? How does this benefit him?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52848: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:32:50 PM

[up][up]In an out of universe perspective I also imagine after all this time and effort trying to get Spider-Man into the MCU, a lot of people at Disney would prefer he be in something very close to the look they use on all the marketing and merchandising around the world.

edited 10th Mar '16 3:33:15 PM by comicwriter

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#52849: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:33:24 PM

All the strong heroes are now destroyed?

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#52850: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:36:04 PM

I'm not too worried about Spidey's new costume. Remember when Captain America's costume in The Avengers looked kinda goofy and yet the film was still absolutely amazing?


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