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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52576: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:08:52 AM

Most interestingly, they confirm Zemo is being set up for a larger role in a future film.

Yes! For a while there I was a little worried about that.

They don't keep up with anything happening on Agents of SHIELD

<wince> I feel sorry for AOS at this point. This film was the last real chance for the situation in AOS to impact the universe as a whole, especially if the Inhumans movie is outright ignoring AOS' Inhumans arc as well.

edited 7th Mar '16 9:10:19 AM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52577: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:29:07 AM

Glad Fury is being left out. And I don't have a problem with Agents of Shield getting left out. It's not like they could do much with the Accords anyway.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#52578: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:36:26 AM

They don't keep up with anything happening on Agents of SHIELD.
No mention of an upswing in superhumans? No appearance by President Ellis?

I mean, I understand why they couldn't - the film was shot last year and written even before that, before AOS had started airing its third season. And the film is going to air when the third season is almost over, so they might not know at all what's going on with AOS when the film happens.

But a small tiny nod wouldn't be hard to do, I think. Something that just is like, "Man, there are a lot more superhumans coming out of the woodwork these days."

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52579: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:42:22 AM

How could you tell that would be a nod to Agents of SHIELD though?

edited 7th Mar '16 9:42:46 AM by VeryMelon

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#52580: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:44:58 AM

Because Agents of SHIELD provides the explanation for why there are so many more superhumans.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52581: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:50:20 AM

This made me laugh just a bit.

Moore admits that trying to jam in characters “has never really worked out in our favor.”

Now if only people making superhero films in general would get this.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52582: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:51:25 AM

Zemo is clearly going to be in a Thunderbolts film but it's not that exciting since everyone pretty much guessed it the moment we knew he was in the movie and the comics are suddenly promoting them again along with the LEGO game.

edited 7th Mar '16 9:56:39 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52583: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:52:21 AM

They also say Tony is still retired at the beginning of the movie but the big incident at the opening pulls him back in. It sounds like something similar happens with Hawkeye.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52584: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:53:43 AM

"I couldn't even get one year of peace! God damn it guys! This is why I'll fight you Steve!"

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#52585: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:54:01 AM

[up][up][up] If that's true, then I really am prescient.

edited 7th Mar '16 9:54:18 AM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52586: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:54:31 AM

Poor Chadwick Boseman

On putting on the costume for the first time: “It’s hot. It’s blazing hot. Listen, it’s so hot. I’ve never been that hot before in my life, seriously."

Christian Bale said the same thing about the Batman suit.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#52587: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:59:04 AM

Keaton complained about how uncomfortable his batman costume was as well, though I believe he complained about how claustrophobic it was rather than the heat.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52589: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:19:26 AM

Looks to be a new character created for the MCU. Peter had a sorta girlfriend called Michele in the comics but that's pretty much it and I don't think it's her.

We're probably going to get Gwen as Peter's girlfriend again in the MCU since Marvel are already promoting her big time in the comics as a result of Spider-Verse and TASM 1 and 2. We're more likely to get Black Cat(please for the love of god Slott, stop pushing her as a big time mob boss and super villain it hasn't worked at all!) than we're to get MJ.

edited 7th Mar '16 10:25:41 AM by LordofLore

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52590: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:22:51 AM

So instead of Black Cat, the reboot is gonna use one of the D-Lister love interests made after One More Day.

As if I needed more reasons to skip out on the reboot.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52591: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:24:19 AM

It doesn't say she's playing Michelle Gonzalez but I doubt they were ever gonna use Black Cat. People would be calling her a Catwoman ripoff immediately.

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#52592: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:57:15 AM

I don't think the casual audience cares enough about Catwoman to make that accusation. She's only been in a thirty-year-old film that was largely forgettable, the shittiest film in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and a god-awful standalone movie that everyone's trying to repress. She doesn't exactly have a hardcore fanbase among filmgoers.

EDIT: Also, two out of three of those appearances gave her ridiculous cat-magic superpowers that would set her apart from a simple cat burglar.

edited 7th Mar '16 10:59:21 AM by TobiasDrake

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52594: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:00:58 AM

It's a shame that to novice eyes Black cat and Catwoman look like rip offs of each other. They actually both started as very independent (female cat themed) characters. But then Catwoman took from black cat the Dating Catwomman thing, and black cat took from Catwoman the Cat Burgular thing and they converged.

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#52595: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:02:07 AM

Yes, but that alone wouldn't weaken her popularity.

Like, plenty of people noticed the parallels between Iron Man and Batman, but the general consensus was that Iron Man did a lot of the things Batman did in his movie, but he did them better. The internet was abuzz with talk of how Iron Man is Batman done right.

DareDevil has seen similar praise. "Batman take note: this is how you do vigilante super action!"

Green Lantern's been criticized for being a shittier Iron Man but that's because his movie was not only clearly trying to ape Iron Man's success but also doing a terrible job of it. Quality counts for a lot and I don't think Catwoman's film appearances have proven to be a terribly hard act for Felicia to follow.

edited 7th Mar '16 11:02:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52596: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:10:26 AM

I don't think the casual audience cares enough about Catwoman to make that accusation. She's only been in a thirty-year-old film that was largely forgettable, the shittiest film in the Dark Knight Trilogy, and a god-awful standalone movie that everyone's trying to repress. She doesn't exactly have a hardcore fanbase among filmgoers.

That's irrelevant. The point isn't that she's popular, it's that she's a character who everyone on the planet recognizes with the exact same theme and dynamic as Black Cat.

Which is moot anyway since it doesn't look like Black Cat will be in this one either, just like she hasn't been in any of them (save for a glorified civilian cameo in ASM 2). I'm sure if Daredevil dressed up in a Bat costume and a cape people would be labeling that a knockoff too.

edited 7th Mar '16 11:11:20 AM by comicwriter

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#52597: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:13:22 AM

And they would be applauding it.

Felicia's similarity to Catwoman would give DC fans fuel for criticism, but for critics and filmgoers, I expect the only thing that would result would be articles and reviews popping up on Rotten Tomatoes going, "Spider-Man's Catwoman blows Dark Knight Rises out of the water!" and "DC take notes: this is how you do Catwoman!"

Nothing is original in art. So far as reception is concerned, how you do matters more than what you do.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#52598: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:15:44 AM

[up]Does a character being a rip off of another one necessarily mean they'd be less well received?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52599: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:20:45 AM

Oh, I am certainly the events in Ao S will be relevant for the Civil War, but it will be one of the side-battlefields. There is a difference between the process of making the movies and the show and what is later on screen. In this case, the show has to write around the movies, not the other way around. But that doesn't mean that id doesn't provide additional background to what will happen.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52600: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:21:05 AM

[up][up]Not necessarily but it's just something I doubt they'd do. And it looks like they're not.

The entire reason this tangent even started is because someone is mad the female lead isn't Black Cat.

edited 7th Mar '16 11:21:40 AM by comicwriter


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