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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#52551: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:48:29 PM

[up]x5

What I'm looking forward to seeing is how are they going to introduce Wakanda and Black Panther into Civil War.

Sure the vague idea that Wakanda is a place where Vibranium comes from was introduced in Age of Ultron, but we haven't actually met anyone from Wakanda.

My best bet is that they are going to show up to the Sokovia Accords either entirely uninvited or had been nominally invited but no one seriously expected them to actually show. Then when the Wakandan delegation shows up, baffling everyone in the process, we can at least get the 30 second version of who they are and what their role in all of this is.

edited 6th Mar '16 1:48:54 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52552: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:59:29 PM

[up]You're probably right on. It was mentioned Wakanda is one of the countries that helps craft the Sokovia Accords.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#52553: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:17:32 PM

So, I just had an upsetting thought. You all remember the satellite the Insight helicarriers were synced up to, right? Unless something happened that I don't know about because I have not and will not watch Age of Ultron, it's still up there. And presumably that algorithm is still floating around, too. I wonder if that'll play any part in Civil War? If nothing else it would be one more thing causing this huge rift between Tony and Steve; I imagine Tony would want to make use of it in some way, while Steve would want it all completely destroyed.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#52554: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:58:25 PM

I'm sure it's not farfetched War Machine or some astronauts could fly up there and take it down. But there's been no onscreen confirmation.

wild mass guessThe Russians shot it down with a missile and kickstarted the plot of Gravity.wild mass guess

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52555: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:52:53 PM

[up][up]I'm almost certain it was probably brought down or destroyed offscreen. The Avengers wouldn't just leave something like that hanging around for two years.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52556: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:57:32 PM

Tony: "Nah Fury, I'll incorporate it into my weather control satellite network project as a data center. It's not like someone or something might hack all StarkTech in the future and use them to create devastating storms that threaten humanity and use the intel to target specific people."

Fury: "...Hell no!"

edited 6th Mar '16 4:58:19 PM by LordofLore

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#52557: Mar 6th 2016 at 6:59:22 PM

[up]x4 Why won't you watch Age of Ultron?

Make mine Marvel.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#52558: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:20:17 PM

You're missing out on a fantastic movie and my personal favorite movie of all time.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#52559: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:23:10 PM

This hasn't been confirmed, but I did once suspect that Zola himself may have been in the satellite. Nat's copies the data sent from the Lemurian Star to the satellite, and when trying to hack the flash drive carrying the data, she says it's "protected by some sort of AI; it keeps rewriting itself". What if that AI were a copy of Zola, which makes one wonder how far he has spread his mind...

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52560: Mar 6th 2016 at 7:45:22 PM

The directors did originally want to spare Zola, so that could be a backdoor for bringing him back if they want to someday.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52561: Mar 7th 2016 at 12:38:03 AM

Not just spare, they wanted to give him a robot body so he could flee the scene!

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#52562: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:30:41 AM

Full Team Cap character posters. Team Stark next probably. And then trailer?

edited 7th Mar '16 5:31:34 AM by edvedd

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#52563: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:36:50 AM

Sharon doesn't get a poster? That's unfortunate.

Those posters look pretty neat, though.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52564: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:42:57 AM

It's a nice change from the usual "staring into the camera".

Time to mention again how much I liked most of the art-work for this movie. Usually the Marvel Posters are very meh (too many floating heads), but I really dig what they do this time around. Somebody apparently felt very inspired.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#52565: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:51:35 AM

Huh, it occurs to me that, unless they aren't using Spider Man in marketing at all for whatever reason, we could see Spider Man on the Team Stark posters.

Of course, we don't know what his alignment is.

edited 7th Mar '16 5:51:48 AM by edvedd

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52566: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:03:10 AM

We aren't going to see Spider-Man in any marketing before the film apparently.

Sort of mad they set up Wanda vs Widow in that poster. They don't really have anything that make them a good fight or conflict so it's just because they are the only female heroes on each team.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52567: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:10:10 AM

Toby's team is noticeably smaller. (if we don't include spidey and or include Sharon)

This movie is really short on female characters.

And thematically and super weight wise it should be

  • Tony vs Cap
  • Rhodey vs Sam
  • Black Panther vs Bucky
  • Natasha vs Clint
  • Vision vs Wanda
  • Spider-Man vs ANT-MAN

edited 7th Mar '16 6:11:03 AM by Whowho

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#52568: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:32:16 AM

Tony's team is smaller but has the greater overall firepower that makes Cap's team the clear underdog that needs the greater number.

The only thing that's probably keeping Cap's team from losing immediately is that nobody is trying to kill each other. Iron Man and War Machine alone can easily handle a peak human, a sniper, a dude with a special jetpack, and a peak human with a robot arm in a straight up one-on-one sort if deal. It'd be stealth, environment, and tactics that would give Cap's team any sort of chance in that scenario.

Wanda evens things out on Cap's and Scott is a wildcard.

However Vision pretty much cancels out that advantage by being so danged powerful.

The Blog The Art
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52569: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:15:01 AM

Those people who used to get really mad about the lack of masks is gonna hate the Ant-Man one.tongue

Set visit.

Among other things they mention that Hawkeye now has a staff for close quarter fighting, and that he's now using non-lethal arrows this time.

edited 7th Mar '16 7:17:36 AM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52570: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:38:35 AM

[up][up] Yeah, Toby's team has a horrendous about of range, strength, residence, utility and air control. And vision is probably the most powerful Avenger at the moment, being functionally unharmable.

On the plus side, Wanda doesn't yet have an established upperlimit on her powers, and I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to hit Falcon once.

I'm really fond of symmetry though so I want it to be six a side. (Or rather seven aside so we can have more female presence with Sharon and maybe Mara Hill)

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52571: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:47:35 AM

Spider-Man could end up being the 6th on Team Iron Man.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#52572: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:50:01 AM

[up] If he takes a side at all. I remember reading an article a while back on EW about (potential spoilers) how Spider-Man shows up after the teams have completely formed.

Crow: There's a plot?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52573: Mar 7th 2016 at 8:06:58 AM

Looking like we may be getting a trailer later this week. Tomorrow a bunch of sites will be doing Team Iron Man stuff.

Sharon doesn't get a poster? That's unfortunate.

Like I said earlier, I suspect Sharon might not officially be Team Cap within the story, and they were just putting her on all those promo images because they couldn't use Scarlet Witch at the time.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52574: Mar 7th 2016 at 8:57:03 AM

EDIT

edited 7th Mar '16 9:05:56 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52575: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:06:08 AM

Info from Collider:

  • As was debated endlessly a few weeks ago, the movie does open on a big action sequence and the incident that starts the events of the movie happens there.

  • Most interestingly, they confirm Zemo is being set up for a larger role in a future film.

  • Crossbones is "unhinged" and is the catalyst for what happens in the rest of the movie, in a way.

  • Structure wise they're comparing it to The Godfather in that it has a central protagonist but also a shit load of other characters with their own arcs and motivations.

  • It's been one year since the events of Age of Ultron and Ant-Man, and they operate on the premise that unless explicitly stated otherwise, their movies happen in real world time.

  • They don't keep up with anything happening on Agents of SHIELD.

  • The film "isn't concerned with the cosmic side of the MCU".

  • The movie has more international locales than any other MCU movie.

  • Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye have a close friendship.

  • They're having Scarlet Witch do new stuff with her powers that she couldn't in AOU.

  • They left Fury out of this one because they felt he didn't add anything to the conflict.

A ton of other stuff as well.

edited 7th Mar '16 9:06:52 AM by comicwriter


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